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Bruce M. Petty
lighthouse on Saipan
Mon Feb 20, 2012 00:41
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Having lived on Saipan for five years, and having explored just about every square foot of it, and also having written a book about it, I can tell you that there is no lighthouse on the north end of Saipan. The only lighthouse on Saipan is just above the village--now main town--of Garpan. It is located on Navy Hill. I used to live right next to it. I also know that an Avenger off Gambier Bay was shot down near it on 17 June 1944. The two crew members, Howard Rivers and Jack Bacon bailed out. The pilot managed to crash land the plane on the reef near Managaha Islet and was later rescued. From what I have been able to find out, either Bacon and Rivers were never found, or if found where later buried at sea. Their family, to this day, know them only as Missing in Action.

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  • NAVY PLANE ON SAIPANWilliam L, Jefferies, Sun Feb 19 11:15
    Hi Shirley, Are you and Mark talking about the Navy plane on Saipan that got hit when it circled back around to check on lighthouse on end of island that fired on them and and later at us with... more
    • lighthouse on Saipan — Bruce M. Petty, Mon Feb 20 00:41
      • "Lighthouse" on Saipan3L6research, Mon Feb 20 12:18
        Many reports from the time of the fighting for Saipan refer to the old Japanese building, located on Navy Hill, as a Lighthouse, an Observatory, or a Watchtower. It is located at 15 deg 12m 42.35s N, ... more
      • Re: lighthouse on SaipanWilliam L. Jefferies, Mon Feb 20 12:16
        Bruce, You and I must be talking about something else as I was on the front lines when this happened. What year did you live on Saipan? I personlly seen the pilot bail out and plane went over hill... more
        • lighthouseBruce M. Petty, Mon Feb 20 12:39
          Mr. Jeffries--I don't doubt you one bit. More than a few of our planes were shot down during the Marianas campaign, and from my research none who fell into Japanese hands survived. In fact, I had a... more
          • Re: lighthouseWilliam L. Jefferies, Tue Feb 21 14:11
            On or around June 19, 1944 there what was called the Mariana Turkey Shoot as the Japanese tried to take back Saipan. My company was moving along on side of Topachau and could see the dog fights going ... more
            • SaipanBruce Petty, Tue Feb 21 14:44
              Mr. Jeffries--Yes, I have read all about the nighttime tank attack, and have also interviewed a few people who were there. In my book, Voices From The Pacific War, a Frank Zark is mentioned. He... more
              • NEW ZEALANDWilliam L. Jefferies, Wed Feb 22 14:42
                Bruce, How did you like New Zealand while you were there? New Zealand people treating us, Second Marine Division with open arms and hated to see us leave. Some of the older Marines married girls they ... more
                • New ZealandBruce M. Petty, Wed Feb 22 14:51
                  Mr. Jeffries--We still live in N.Z., have for the past eight years. In fact, my latest book is titled, New Zealand in The Pacific War. For this book, I interviewed a number of 2nd MarDiv vets,... more
                  • NZ Contacts EDG, Thu Mar 1 12:45
                    Bruce Petty do you have any information for researching NZ women. My dad had a girl friend that I have tried to locate without any luck.
                    • Re: NZ Contacts Nolene De Luca, Fri Mar 2 14:10
                      Iam a NZ'er and a Genealogist, perhaps I can be of help to you. I am also a member of the NZ Society of Genealogists. I can be contacted at home@deluca.net.nz
                    • NZ womenBruce M. Petty, Thu Mar 1 13:04
                      I interviewed a number of NZ women who were involved with U.S. servicemen here during the war. I also interviewed some of the children they left behind. Their stories are all in my book, New Zealand... more
                  • Re: New ZealandWilliam L.efferies, Wed Feb 22 17:01
                    Glad to hear yo live in wonderful country of New Zealand. Norm Hatch is still going strong and writes and article in our "Follow Me' when it is published every 3 months. Some of our Marines like Joe... more
                    • Norm HatchBruce M. Petty, Wed Feb 22 20:24
                      Mr. Jeffries--I'm still in contact with Norm Hatch, and he gets my weekly newsletter from New Zealand. Just heard from him two days ago, in fact.
                    • MISSPELLED WORDSWilliam L. Jefferies, Wed Feb 22 17:08
                      Pardon some of my misspelled words. Didn't even spell my name right. Got in too big of hurry and never checked it before sending.
              • Re: SaipanWilliam L. Jefferies, Wed Feb 22 11:46
                United States Navy did stop the Japanese before they got near Saipan but the Jap planes did get there and Navy and Marine pilotes blasted them out of the air. As I mention we could see it from our... more
                • SaipanEd Bale, Thu Feb 23 11:23
                  Jeff You are absolutely on target. I was on the right flanks of the 6th Marines and on the left flank on the 8th Marines with 6 tanks supporting the 8th and saw what you saw. Perhaps some people... more
                  • SaipanWilliam L. Jefferies, Fri Feb 24 09:26
                    Thanks Col. Bale, It seems some people who weren't there think they know more about what went on then we who were on the front lines. Jeff
                  • late comer historianBruce M. Petty, Thu Feb 23 23:26
                    As a "late comer historian," let me clarify a few things. The air battle in the Mariana Islands involved more than just the Turkey Shoot. There were pre-invasion attacks on all of the Japanese air... more
                    • Late ComerEd. Bale, Wed Feb 29 11:33
                      Here we go again. What a waste of time. Ed. Bale
                    • Rewriting historyEd. Bale, Fri Feb 24 09:13
                      Bruce This is exactly what I mean about rewriting history. ELB
                  • tank attackjack whipple, Thu Feb 23 17:48
                    Hi Col Bale again.....I have a photo of dad and some guys from his company taken immediately after this action. The photo in the 2nd Marine Division photo from Follow Me of the three guys standing in ... more
                    • Col Warren LightnerEd. Bale, Fri Feb 24 09:22
                      Jack Col Lightner was a friend of mine. We served in the First Mar Div in Vietnam. He did not die there. When he left Vietnam Nam he went to Norfolk, VA as the G-4 of FMFLANT. Retired somewhere in... more
              • Re: SaipanWendell Perkins, Wed Feb 22 07:19
                Jeff wrote, "Bruce, did you hear about the Japanese tank attack June 17, 1944 that happened 3 oclock on a very dark morning? I was lucky enough to be in on this and help stop them." What Jeff didn't... more
                • marines Visit.Joan Ellis, Thu Feb 23 15:31
                  Great to see Tarawa Talks contributors so active again. Wonderful to read comments from those marines who actually fought on Saipan and other islands in the Pacific.Can anyone help me muster up some... more
                  • VisitJohn Armstrong, Sat Feb 25 12:41
                    Seiously has anyone condidered making travel arrangements, flight rates. hotels, or anything in the way of arrangements if a group of 2nd Divion veterans wanted to come for that "reunion". Airfares... more
                  • VisitJohn Armstrong PhM2/C, Fri Feb 24 20:21
                    What is the air fare (we can hock the house) Or will you use old troop ships to add flavor? John Armstrong
                    • ReunionJoan Ellis, Fri Feb 24 21:51
                      Well John if all else fails we might have to see if we can find an old troop ship. How good would that be???I've heard that Australia is really turning it on for their veteran's return anniversary.... more
                    • Veteran's returnJoan ellis, Fri Feb 24 21:42
                      Well John if all else fails.. we'll have to see if we can find an old troop ship. I believe there's going to be an aircraft carrier going to Australia and they're planning on having a ball for their... more
                  • Re: marines Visit.William L Jefferies, Fri Feb 24 14:13
                    Dear Joan, As you know over many years we had very nice Second Marine Division Association Reunion meetings and as always seeing our friends from New Zealand. But years and health problems have... more
                    • visitJohn Armstrong, Sat Feb 25 20:05
                      Maybe if we all reenlisted they would send us all as well weathered visitors.
                    • NEW ZEALANDS George, Sat Feb 25 10:12
                      JEFF; I WISH I COULD GO TO THIS REUNION, BUT CAN'T. BOB LOVED THAT COUNTRY SO MUCH. WHEN WE WERE THERE IN 1996 I CAME TO KNOW HOW LOVELY IT WAS. YOUR WIFE OF 65 YEARS IS BLESSED TO HAVE YOU LOVING... more
                    • Marines visitjoan ellis, Fri Feb 24 17:02
                      thank you for your kind words Bill. I'm sorry to hear of your health problems but how blessed you are to have a loving,caring wife there to take care of your needs.Veteran marine friends keep me... more
              • Re: SaipanRick sikkema, Wed Feb 22 07:00
                Mr. Jeffries is probably too modest to mention that he was heavily involved in repulsing the tank attack. If memory serves he was awarded ther Silver Star for his actions during that battle.
    • NAVY PLANEs George, Sun Feb 19 15:48
      YOU WERE IN THE 6TH MARINES, WEREN'T YOU, JEFF? HOW CLOSE WERE YOU TO THE 10TH ON JULY 7? BOB WAS IN THE 10TH, BUT IN A DIFFERENT AREA. JEAN TOLD ME RAY WAS IN H 3 10. THE CITATION SAYS HE WAS IN A 3 ... more
      • Re: NAVY PLANEWILLIAM L. JEFFERIES, Mon Feb 20 12:04
        SHIRLEY, FIRST LET ME APPOGIZE FOR NOT PRINTING IN LARGE PRINT AS I KNOW YOU HAVE EYE TROUBLE READING SMALL LETTERS. YES, I WAS IN A/1/6 ALL THROUGH THE WAR. THE 10TH BACKED US UP. I REMEMBER WHEN... more
        • armyJohn Armstrong PhM 2/C, Tue Feb 21 14:53
          Same feeling about soldiers but I recall all the wounded Marines we had in our field hospital due to Army shelling , and a REFUSAL by the Army to stop shelling. The Army said "We do not take orders... more
          • ARMYs George, Thu Mar 1 18:17
            SEVERAL MONTHS AGO WHILE WAITING FOR A RIDE HOME FROM THE DR'S OFFICE I SAT BESIDE A MAN ABOUT MY AGE. WE GOT TO TALKING AND I FOUND OUT HE WAS A CORPSMAN STATIONED ON GUAM WHERE THEY TREATED THE... more
        • NAVY PLANES George, Mon Feb 20 12:26
          THANKS JEFF, FOR TELLING THE HISTORY OF YOUR TIME ON SAIPAN JULY7, 1945. I HAVE NOTHING AGAINST THE ARMY EITHER.MY BROTHER IN LAW WAS IN PATTON'S ARMY AND MY GRANDSON WAS IN AFGHANISTAN AND IRAQ.THAT ... more
          • LETTERSJohn Armstrong Ph M 2/C, Tue Feb 21 15:06
            ARE YOU BACK IN THE FIRST GRADE??? NEEDING LARGE LETTERS MY COUSIN WAS AN ARMY LT. LEAD SCOUT WITH PATTON ACROSS EUROPE. PS I have GLAUCOME AND A "FLAP" HOLE IN ONE EYE BUT CAN STILL TELL A BLONDE... more
            • LETTERS/JOHN ARMSTRONGTrish Schiesser, Wed Feb 22 10:20
              JOHN, YOU OWE SHIRLEY GEORGE A BIIIG APOLOGY. YOU CAN SEE BY HER ANSWER TO YOUR NASTY LETTER TO HER WHAT SHE GOES THROUGH DAILY, HARDLY WITH ANY HELP AT ALL. SHE IS AN INTELLIGENT WOMAN AND A BRAVE... more
              • your reactionJohn Armstrong, Wed Feb 22 15:16
                I was only joking about using large letters like we did in the first grade. And that we had gone full circle in life to our old age and were doing it all over again. I guess misplaced and... more
                • REACTIONs George, Sat Feb 25 02:16
                  ONE LAST NOTE ONT THIS SUBJECT. JOHN, NO PITY PARTY, I THOUGHT I WAS BEING FUNNY, BUT GUESS IT FELL FLAT. I HAVE A LOT OF FUN WITH MY POOR EYESIGHT, I.E. OFFERING TO DRIVE FOLKS HERE AND THERE . ALSO ... more
                • JOHN AND TRISHs George, Wed Feb 22 20:57
                  AW, COME ON GUYS. I KNEW JOHN WAS KIDDING. I GAVE IT BACK TO HIM, I THINK. JOHN, YOU ARE A JEWEL. THANK Y0U S0 MUCH FOR YOUR MANY KIND W0RDS. I ENJOY BEING HOOSE MOTHER TO A BUNCH OF OLD JAR HEADS.... more
                  • John/ LETTERSTrish Schiesser, Thu Feb 23 11:25
                    John, Let me make it up to you, for my misunderstanding by sending you a free copy of THESE GUYS . . . just send me your mailing address and a copy will be on its way. It begins with the first story... more
                    • EVERYTHING OKS George, Thu Feb 23 11:52
                      I WANT TO APOLOGIZE TO JOHN ARMSTRONG AND TRISH SCHLESSER. I WAS TRYING TO BE FUNNY ON MY POST TO JOHN. I WOULD NOT FOR THE WORLD HUR HIM OR ANY OF THE M TARAWA MEN. JOHN, YOU KEEP ON BEING FUNNY.... more
                • YOUR REACTIONTrish Schiesser, Wed Feb 22 19:52
                  I was defending Shirley - as I read your post in a different way than you say you intended it. I admire Shirley more than you know - or maybe you do know, as you say. If you take my post as a tirade, ... more
            • LETTERSs, Tue Feb 21 22:19
              OK, JOHN, 90 IN JULY. I;LL SEE YOUR GLAUCOMA AND FLAP WITH MH GLAUCOMA, MACULAR DEGENERATION AND ADDIAS EYE. I AM LEGALLY BLIND, BUT I CAN STILL TELL A MARINE FROM ANYONE ELSE I DO HAVE ON TOP OF... more
    • NAVY PLANES George, Sun Feb 19 11:33
      I REMEMBER BOB TELLING ME THAT AFTER RAY HAD HIS ARM BLOWN OFF HE SAW A PLANE THAT HAD CRASHED. HE WENT TO IT WITH HIS TERRIBLE WOUND AND GOT THE PILOT, BUT WAS NOT ABLE TO GET THE GJNNER. THE TWO... more
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