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Double Support!?
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Author Iain Trimble-Date Fri Jan 14, 2011 22:11

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We all know that to produce best throws double support is needed when releasing the javelin. What is best way to keep double support? Actively think about keeping right foot on the ground as long as possible?

Author Tom Pukstys
Subject double down
Date Sat Jan 15, 2011

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This is a great topic to talk about here. One that gave me fits and one that makes the difference for top throwers to go 85meters plus, or stay around 80meters.
A few simple things first.
-On easy throws you can work or should work on throws where the back leg doesn't come off the ground. Finish the throw and stay on the ground.It worked for me, and a few others. I got this idea from my Soviet coach a long time ago.
-Keep your chest up and back through release of the spear...don't over follow through. I just thought about stopping the chest and letting te arm rip the spear. You know the idea of one part stopping the next accelerating in a sequence.
-About the right foot.This is very tricky. Some athletes need to activate the foot to turn the knee down to get the plant set and hold. I also suggest keeping your right foot less active, or relaxed as you transfer over it to plant. Some of our top throwers are being overly active with the right and over rotating hip which causes a "pike" at the plant and you buckle the plant as you pull it.

The double support part is rellay tough one, but my thoughts are it reveolves around what I wrote...how the feet operate, then simply thinking and doing some drills to stay on the gorund and finsish the throw, then how you go about holding the upper body as you release the throw. Its one or a combination of those things for most throwers to combat the bad effects of getting to far onto the front leg.

Defintely try some three step throws and keep the back foot on the ground, you will learn a lot from that alone.
It will take some work, but you can get better. I was able to improve, but it was tough for me back then.

Author Tom Pukstys
Subject Not what I Believe but

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it is what can be done. There are several options on how to use or not use the back leg. I know we always speak about a very active leg, hey I'm the one who got first hand experience from Jan in this and brought it to our develeopment meetings in 1993. My point is you must try to work out which way works best for you...is it the dorsiflexed foot position without any activity, is it the very aggressive turn over onto the shoelaces of the foot style or somehwere in between. It is a case by case adjustment to individual talent,athletic ability genetics, and feelings.
As for Breaux, he threw far because he is tough, had great dynamics in his run, a killer arm strike and flexibility. What his technique showed is he could have thrown farther, but thats a waste of time to debate it. He tried hard, did well and thats it. He did everything he could to be his best! As I heard Seppo once say..."If you want to see good looking technique, ask someone else to show you, if you want results, watch me!"

Author Tom PukstysAccount
Subject strange help but it worked...
Date Tue Jan 18, 2011

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In 1995 I had a solid start to my season, 7 meets over 80m, but a best of 81.80 or so. I had thrown 85from a shorter run in training but wasn't getting my full run together. Then one day at the US/England duel in Gateshead after a string of my worst performances in Europe ever. 73, the 72 in Finland, I was at wits end and lost.
My coach for the team, Rob Lasorsa gave a me an idea that saved my season from utter collapse. In a practice session, I threw about 75 meters trying hard. He noticed I was getting too much push off from the right leg, just too far off it. He suggested just pulling the toe up, towards the shin, thats dorsiflexion. I tried it, came over the right fast planted firm and threw about 81 meters right there. Boom, I was back in. Next night I hit about 81.98, but had 5 over 80 m. Two nights later beat Sasimovitch in Rovereto with 82.94, then twisted my ankle two nights later in Brussels but took a throw to get the cash...75 meters, went to London next day, yikes, swelling was huge, had ankle drained, taped lked hell but still fouled 85 on the first thrrow. mnaged 83.76 with 3 or 4 other solid efforts.

I went from a a loss of technique to some nice control and good results the rest of year. Rob's idea made the difference. I still talk to him about that when I see him.

What it boiled down to was how I trained. Had a great arm stike that year, but was always a bit forward. On short run up, I could crush it, but once a full speed attempt came, I could lose 6 or 8 meters. Way too forward, and the culprit was that right foot of mine. I carry it forward, not by choice when I landed, didn't want to, but I just couln't fix it, so as my right toe rolled over, I flicked it to throw me more forward then needed and I would miss the plant and buckle completely. Some analysis showed me with a leg bent at 124 degrees at releae, like sitting on toilet bent. I was embarrased beyond words and worked like a feak to change it. Rob Lasorsa made the find, Jansis Lusis and Kari helped me through it, and Jeff G played a role the following year in how I dealt with the leg/foot. I just flipped it over quicker and it set up my plant better. I hit a PR soon after. Likely would have thrown better but a strain in my pec knocked me out for three weeks and I never had the same feeling...although I it a few big throws, but it was not the same.

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