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Robert

Hi Truthteller

Fri Feb 11, 2011 6:31am

74.237.40.72

The historical Jesus, who actually walked on Earth, never had any denomination in mind because he never had the formation of a religion in mind. What he did have in mind, was preparing people for what he believed was the SOON to come Kingdom....on Earth.

As Faith has posted---wtte: common words in the Bible mean what common words commonly mean, i.e. "this" and "generation"----pretty clear, huh?

Regards,
Robert

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• Interesting view of the bibles — Gateway, Wed Feb 9 1:30pm
  background take on homosexuality. Some of this articles subject I have never been aware of and am surprised that christians that are as bible knowledgable are so opposed to homosexuality. My Take:... more
• • There was NOTHING homosexual in the relationship of — David F Mayer, Wed Feb 9 5:21pm
    David and Jonathan. There is absolutely not a word of support for that position. The nearest thing was that David was married to Jonathan's SISTER, Michal. That was a sexual relationship! David F... more
  • • This woman doesn't recognize brotherly love, — Gvu, Thu Feb 10 7:00am
      that the verse is expressing a deep ma bound, sexual deviance not included. Man have shown this on the battle field. Soldiers throwing themselves on a grenade to save the life of his fellow soldiers. ... more
    • He just CITED words of support! — greenman, Wed Feb 9 6:47pm
      "Surpassing the love of woman" doesn't suggest a more than friendly relationship to you? It's speculation, I agree, but to say there was "nothing homosexual in the relationship" is merely doctrinaire ... more
    • • true... (nm) — donk, Thu Feb 10 3:51am
      • No, it does not. You are misreading it entirely. (nm) — David F Mayer, Wed Feb 9 7:10pm
      • • To me — greenman, Wed Feb 9 7:12pm
          "I'm reading it differently" isn't the same as "you're misreading it entirely." But maybe that's just me.
        • • Viewed from the cultural context of Ancient Israel, — David F Mayer, Wed Feb 9 7:41pm
            the notion of male-male nonsexual love is very strong. Also, the Ancient Israelites abhorred homosexuality. I am not saying that they were right, but it was indeed detested. I doubt if King David... more
          • • There's no certain resolution — greenman, Thu Feb 10 5:25pm
              We simply don't know whether he was or wasn't. People say the same of Lincoln, again, we don't know the absolute truth of it.
            • true... — donk, Thu Feb 10 6:39am
              "...the notion of male-male nonsexual love is very strong." But that doesn't really put to bed the idea of homosexuality. I think it is a non-issue and none of our business -- much like abortion.
    • Those who are evil paint it on everything — shadow, Wed Feb 9 5:36pm
      that's sacred; they don't have the truth to argue with, so they spread the lies. It's about all they've got as far as I can tell.
    • • Lies? Or just a different opinion? — Christopher Blackwell, Thu Feb 10 9:12am
        shadow, Most often people fully believe their own opinions. Something is only a lie, if you believe it is when you say it. If you believe it, it may be incorrect, but it is not a lie.
      • Interesting, I don't disagree with the remark — Gvu, Thu Feb 10 7:57am
        but would like to see it bonafide with scripture. I have often said that those who don't hold to a set of principals with cast people (characterize) from what ever feelings they hold. As I often say, ... more
      • The problem is ... — OldCM, Thu Feb 10 6:44am
        ... that as long as you believe that you are God-inspired by the Holy Spirit and therefore know all truth contained in the Holy Scriptures and anyone with a contrary conclusion is "evil", no one can... more
      • The only "evil" here — greenman, Wed Feb 9 6:48pm
        ..is in pretending that a homosexual relationship IS evil. Claiming that the possibility is a "lie" is itself dishonest. Nothing new for you, of course...
      • • personal attacks are against board rules... — Faith, Thu Feb 10 6:18am
          You need to stop or I will bring this to Ken's attention.
        • • LOL! — greenman, Thu Feb 10 5:27pm
            Go whine to someone who cares, Christer. YOu attack people on here CONSTANTLY. Your Christian hypocrisy stinks to high heaven.
          • • Prove it... — Faith, Fri Feb 11 7:17pm
              You and Christopher both make that claim, but I challenge you to prove it, or shut-up. You are just a noise-maker..
            • • Noise-maker? — OldCM, Sat Feb 12 6:30am
                Pot - Kettle - Beige
          • I hope that you will remember that sometime (nm) — Christopher Blackwell, Thu Feb 10 9:21am
          • Waaaaaaaahhhhhhhhh — KR, Thu Feb 10 6:50am
            If you can't handle the truth, don't post your lies and crap.
      • I have studied that text repeatedly, in the original Hebrew — David F Mayer, Wed Feb 9 5:41pm
        and cannot find a trace of homosexuality in their friendship. I had a dear male friend for many years who passed away about 5 years ago. We were as close as any two friends could be. Neither of us... more
      • • Key words there — greenman, Wed Feb 9 7:11pm
          "I have a feeling." My condolences over the loss of your friend, however.
        • It's a mark of the decadence of — shadow, Wed Feb 9 6:11pm
          our culture that men cannot show affection to other men as friends, and the same among women, without it being 'tagged' as a sexual attraction. I agree with what you say, David. I have women friends... more
  • Wolves in sheep clothing, it did not take long into the — Gvu, Wed Feb 9 4:44pm
    article to see tge error of her ways. If you believe in a deceived premise than you can only come to a deceived conclusion; "gay people". There is no such thing as gay people, it is people who are... more
  • • according to the opinion of some men — Christopher Blackwell, Thu Feb 10 9:05pm
      Gvu, Something that does not function is elemintated in nature as as this has been around as long as ma, it would appear to be part of the creator's plan, regardless of how that upsets people. Again... more
    • • Exodus Internation has shown that Sexual preference is — Gvu, Fri Feb 11 5:11am
        a matter of choice. Sexual sins, murder, lying, stealing, and so on has been around since sin enter the picture and it was not the plan of God. As for me and my hous there is only One God and the... more
      • • Now what scientific reviewed study was that? — Christopher Blackwell, Fri Feb 11 6:17pm
          Gvu, Remember you are talking of a religion that thinks all sex is a sin, even for procreation among married people. I know of no scientific study that shows that sexual orietation is a matter of... more
    • Tell me Gvu, is it the facts that are wrong — Gateway, Wed Feb 9 8:51pm
      or the arguements the Pastor presents that you find wrong? I find it refreshing and honest that a christian Pastor can admit that there are many ways the bible may be interpreted. Question for... more
    • • She's not a Christian pastor — Faith, Thu Feb 10 7:15am
        If she really were Christian, she wouldn't be preaching in the first place, let alone preaching the nonsense that she is...she smells a mile away.... There are not many ways to interpret Scripture.... more
      • • In your opinion. — Christopher Blackwell, Thu Feb 10 9:17am
          Faith, Opinion is not always fact. You are using your opinion, without knowing the person to make a decision about how Christian they are. You do that a lot here.
        • • I can tell by what she wrote — Faith, Thu Feb 10 9:28am
            I can tell by the mere fact that she is a so-called pastor in the first place...
          • • Oh you are god now. — Christopher Blackwell, Thu Feb 10 8:55pm
              Faith, Again you mistake your opinion for fact. Even what she writes gives us only a partial view of what she thinks and without knowing what she thinks we are not able to pass judgment. That is why... more
            • • Sorry, but God says that we can know — Faith, Fri Feb 11 7:26pm
                who belongs to Him, by their fruit--or lack there of... We can judge this.... and we are told so... God judeges us either guilty or forgiven unto salvation. You are confused. God talks to us through... more
        • You DO know that there are other denominations... — Truthteller, Thu Feb 10 8:22am
          than Baptist, right? And some of those just happen to have female pastors. You might not approve, but who are you to tell them they are wrong when they think YOU are? I love the disunity of... more
        • • The Bible says they are wrong... — Faith, Thu Feb 10 9:12am
            The disunity is not in the Christian..but only those who like to call themselves Christian..when clearly they are ignoring God's Word. Christianity has survived many things...and will continue to do... more
          • • In your opinion. (nm) — Christopher Blackwell, Thu Feb 10 9:15am
            • • No..it's stated in the Bible (nm) — Faith, Thu Feb 10 9:25am
              • • Which is man's opinion about god and man — Christopher Blackwell, Thu Feb 10 8:59pm
                  Faith, Again god is not talking, if he ever has. So we have only the opinion of man, be it the writers, or of the ministers as to what god thinks, or his plans. No one has shown yet that god had... more
                • • Nope.... — Faithj, Fri Feb 11 7:30pm
                    The Word of God is just that.... God has proven His Word through fulfilled prophecy..in fact, that is the only purpose of prophecy and its fulfillment....to prove His authority so that we can know... more
                • That's what your programmers told you — Truthteller, Thu Feb 10 9:27am
                  others disagree.
                • • uh...it's in plain writing (nm) — Faith, Thu Feb 10 9:29am
                  • • Writen by human authors — Christopher Blackwell, Fri Feb 11 6:13pm
                      Faith, And we know that humans are imperfect, not always truthful and have great imaginations for inventing stories,.
                    • • Written by God — Faith, Fri Feb 11 7:31pm
                        And we know that God is perfect and that His Word is Holy and perfect....He does not let us down...: )
                    • Some disagree (nm) — Truthteller, Thu Feb 10 9:38am
                    • • It's not a matter of opinion... — Faith, Thu Feb 10 9:53am
                        Timothy 2:11–14 11 A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. 12 I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent. 13 For Adam was formed first, then... more
                      • • Adam was a wus, a boy and not a man — Christopher Blackwell, Thu Feb 10 9:08pm
                          Faith. If he was a man, he would have took responsibility for his own action and not tried to blame it on the woman. And of course remember the book was writen by men, its bias is obvious.
                        • • lol...you really are — Faith, Fri Feb 11 7:34pm
                            clueless...you should really try to get a grip...it's almost inexcusable.
                        • *shrug* go tell it to those... — Truthteller, Thu Feb 10 10:01am
                          who disagree with you. I think the Methodists have women pastors...go tell them they're full of it if you dare. Me, I couldn't care less since I'm not a Christian. In MY faith, the majority of clergy ... more
                        • • so? — Faith, Thu Feb 10 10:11am
                            You just prove my point and answer any questions as to how we can know the difference between a true Christian who follows God's Word and those who do not.
                          • • I'm afraid you'd still get disagreement on that — Truthteller, Thu Feb 10 10:15am
                              from any of the numerous Christian denoms who DO have women pastors. That's just the way things are.
                            • • so?? — Faith, Thu Feb 10 10:24am
                                Numerous so-called Christian denominations aren't any better of than the Catholic Church when it comes to apostasy.
                              • • Nevertheless, they ARE the majority... — Truthteller, Thu Feb 10 10:28am
                                  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ordination_of_women Today, over half of all American Protestant denominations ordain women,[64] but some restrict the official positions a woman can hold. For instance,... more
                                • • I hate to keep saying "so?"...but — Faith, Thu Feb 10 10:43am
                                    so? And there is nothing wrong with women going into seminary...but they cannot use their education as pastors. There are plenty of other ways to serve in the church. Matt 7:13-14 “Enter through the... more
                                  • • Maybe not in Baptist churches — Truthteller, Thu Feb 10 12:08pm
                                      but they do in others, whether you like it or not.
                                    • • again, not to keep at it, but — Faith, Thu Feb 10 1:43pm
                                        So?
                                      • And after checking it out, even the Baptists... — Truthteller, Thu Feb 10 12:15pm
                                        do in SOME of their churches: http://en.allexperts.com/q/Baptists-954/Women-Ministers.htm As far as baptists are concerned, you would get several different answers. First of all, Baptists uphold the... more
                                      • • I only care about what the Bible says on the matter... — Faith, Thu Feb 10 1:45pm
                                          anyone who ignores the clear biblical teaching, does so at their own peril..
                                        • • They don't appear to think they are — Truthteller, Thu Feb 10 2:07pm
                                            did you read the article at the link I posted?
                                          • • I know the Bible — Faith, Thu Feb 10 2:38pm
                                              Doesn't matter what they think...
                                            • • It does to them — Truthteller, Thu Feb 10 3:16pm
                                                NOBODY has the absolute truth---NOBODY.
                                              • • Well I think that you are wrong about that — Faith, Thu Feb 10 4:33pm
                                                  God's Word is truth.
                                                • • Except it is man's word, not god's — Christopher Blackwell, Fri Feb 11 6:21pm
                                                    Faith isn't talking and we have people claiming to speak for him. That does not mean that they are however. Holy Books are interesting, but no one has ever proven that any of them was inspired by... more
                                                  • • God has proven Himself — Faith, Fri Feb 11 7:36pm
                                                      through fulfilled prophecy..but I guess you keep missing that fact. You should venture on a journey and try to discover something new...
                                                    • God isn't speaking, men wrote the book. (nm) — Christopher Blackwell, Fri Feb 11 6:22pm
                                                    • • saying it again, doesn't make it so. (nm) — Faith, Fri Feb 11 7:37pm
                                                      • • No, because it IS so — Truthteller, Sat Feb 12 10:03am
                                                          GODS DON'T WRITE BOOKS. Mainly because gods have never been proven to exist. And that's the way it will stay until some god appears before the world and says differently.
                                                        • • already happened! (nm) — Faith, Sun Feb 13 8:41am
                                                          • • A human being trying to pass himself off as a god... — Truthteller, Sun Feb 13 11:01am
                                                              doesn't qualify.
                                                  • If a god ever says anything... — Truthteller, Fri Feb 11 7:21am
                                                    that might be the case. But so far, no god ever has.
      • Interesting questions and your sincerity should be respected — Gvu, Thu Feb 10 6:53am
        so I will answer likewise as any devout Christian should. Sincerity, this woman may indeed have that attitude about her message but that doesn't mean it is the truth. Sin-cerity Pro 14:12 There is a... more
  • lol.... — Faith, Wed Feb 9 2:38pm
    Secular unbelieving scholars do not know what they are talking about......they don't have the guidance of the Holy Spirit. Too bad! There are not many ways to interpret the Scriptures..there is only... more
  • • Faith may I aske you something? — Trish, Wed Feb 9 3:23pm
      seriously? Do you think that "secular scholars" have no clue about history, linguistics, etc. What about people who spend their lives studying religion and find a conclusion contrary to you? And even ... more
    • • well said... (nm) — donk, Thu Feb 10 5:51am
      • VERY good questions — greenman, Wed Feb 9 7:12pm
        As always, Trish! ;)
      • I think that uninspired scholars — Faith, Wed Feb 9 3:36pm
        those who attempt to understand God's Word without the Holy Spirit simply cannot. That's all. There are Christian conflicts because of Satan and his work...which is to do just that--deceive as many... more
      • • Unimspired scholars — Christopher Blackwell, Thu Feb 10 9:20am
          Faith, Anyone that disagrees with your personal opinion.
        • • no..anyone who is not — Faith, Thu Feb 10 9:27am
            ...really a Christian....as evidenced by their disregard for what is written.
          • • Anyone that disagrees with your opinion, you mean. (nm) — Christopher Blackwell, Thu Feb 10 9:10pm
        • Again — greenman, Wed Feb 9 7:15pm
          ...what you're basically saying is "if you agree with my interpretation, that of a born-again Christian, you're 'inspired' like I am. If you DISAGREE with my interpretation, you're not." Aren't you?... more
        • • Well that's too bad — Faith, Thu Feb 10 5:44am
            ....if you don't like it. Yes, only born again Christians are indwelt by the Holy Spirit--not my words....God's Word.
          • • So they like to claim — Christopher Blackwell, Fri Feb 11 6:24pm
              Faith, But no claim proves itself without evidence. So I will wait till you have some evidence.
            • • The evidence is in the conversion — Faith, Fri Feb 11 7:40pm
                in the changed life....anyone who knows a born again Christian...cannot deny it.
            • Nope....pretty sure it's your words — greenman, Thu Feb 10 5:28pm
              Your words, your beliefs, based on other peoples' words. Doesn't make it the least bit true, sorry.
        • Faith - you can't PROVE — Trish, Wed Feb 9 4:41pm
          the H.S. nor can you prove Satan - it's all a matter of FAITH. and while I understand your devotion, I do not understand your insistence that a "belief" equates to TRUTH - it simply isn't so. I know... more
        • • again, well said... — donk, Thu Feb 10 5:58am
            "...that a "belief" equates to TRUTH - it simply isn't so." Might partially explain the problem some have with faith and science.
          • • faith is knowing something with confidence — Faith, Thu Feb 10 6:04am
              even though you can't prove it... You seem to be saying that nothing we *believe* by faith can be the truth. Sorry, Donk....but I can't find any support for that notion. Just because there are many... more
            • • Faith is believing without proof — Christopher Blackwell, Thu Feb 10 9:08am
                Faith, Belief proves nothing, no matter how strong.
              • • faith is a sure confidence — Faith, Thu Feb 10 9:14am
                  that what they believe in is the truth--even though they can't prove it to others. It requires evidences and confirmations...that without, there would be no faith.
                • • confidence is not proof — Anonymous, Thu Feb 10 9:25am
                    Faith, No matter how confident one believes, that has no bearing of whether it is true or not.
                  • • duh! — Faith, Thu Feb 10 9:30am
                      That's the point.
              • Faith is no such thing. You're redefining words to suit your — Moraith, Thu Feb 10 6:26am
                purpose again. There isn't a definition I've found that says faith is anything like knowing something with confidence. If it were known faith would be arbitrary.
              • • Precisely. Faith =/= knowledge. — Poppet, Thu Feb 10 7:52am
                  There are people who seem to think it's okay to employ their own made-up lexicon. It's not only self-serving and disingenuous, it makes conversation difficult if not impossible, as if the parties... more
                • • Indeed. It's quite frustrating — Moraith, Thu Feb 10 8:51am
                    and gives off a Wonderland type atmosphere: 'When I use a word,' Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, 'it means just what I choose it to mean — neither more nor less.'
                  • • Perfect example! — Poppet, Thu Feb 10 9:12am
                    • • Thanks! (nm) — Moraith, Thu Feb 10 9:53am
                • sorry Moriath...but I answer to a higher power — Faith, Thu Feb 10 6:40am
                  Faith is what you call it only because you can't prove it. The more evidence there is to your belief, the stronger the faith...or confidence in that belief. Hebrews 11 Faith in Action... 1 Now faith... more
                • • You can't prove it either. — Moraith, Thu Feb 10 7:37am
                    If you're going to use the same language as the rest of us, it is important that we use words with the common definition of those words to avoid confusion. If you are going to define words in ways... more
                  • • again... — Faith, Thu Feb 10 7:53am
                      the meaning of faith that i adhere to not only comes from God's Word but it is confirmed in every day living. Really., who actually believes that faith means a wishy washy blind hope? When someone... more
                    • • None of what you just posted supports your original — Moraith, Thu Feb 10 8:49am
                        claim that faith is knowing something with confidence. You can have a strong conviction, you can firmly believe and completely trust in that with which you have faith, but you cannot , by definition, ... more
                      • • Maybe you can't.... — Faith, Thu Feb 10 9:10am
                          Or maybe you can't quite imagine it...but I don't put my faith in anything that i am not quite sure of...and although I may not be able to prove it to you...that doesn't mean I am not convicted.
                        • • Surety or being convicted in your faith — Moraith, Thu Feb 10 9:51am
                            isn't the same as knowledge. I'm not trying to say that you aren't sure of your faith. I'm simply stating that surety isn't the same as knowing something to be true.
                          • • again Moriath... — Faith, Thu Feb 10 10:00am
                              I am sure of my knowledge about God, for example. I can't prove He exists to you--But I have no doubts. I believe what is revealed in the Scriptures--which is chock-full-of knowledge. I can't prove... more
                            • • We're getting off topic — Moraith, Thu Feb 10 10:30am
                                I don't expect you to prove your faith to me. I'm not even asking you to do so. I merely pointed out that your original definition of faith was wrong. You've even demonstrated that your were... more
                              • • No definition can be wrong... — Poppet, Thu Feb 10 10:55am
                                  ...when someone just makes up the lexicon as they go along. Convenient, innit...? =P
                                • • It is quite convenient — Moraith, Thu Feb 10 10:56am
                                    I wish I could twist my brain about in such as way as to never be wrong about anything. It would make life simpler, don't you think?
                                • well we will just have to agree to disagree — Faith, Thu Feb 10 10:47am
                                  because i believe that the definition found in the dictionary is much like the one found in God's Word. Maybe we are just talking past each other.
                                • • It's doubtful that we're talking past each other — Moraith, Thu Feb 10 10:57am
                                    but I'm more than willing to let this go.
                                  • • Well.. I would agree with that — Faith, Thu Feb 10 11:39am
                                      But I was just trying to put it nicely.
          • Trish...where's the desperation? — Faith, Thu Feb 10 5:41am
            I simply tell it like it is from a biblical perspective. You seem like the one bothered... I am not trying to prove anything. I know what is the truth and I am simply telling it as I am called to do. ... more
          • • You are different Faith — Robert , Thu Feb 10 6:34am
              Not to speak for Trish who seems more than capable of doing it herself, but she seems to me to be stating beliefs formulated from experiences on both sides of the fence, whereas your beliefs are... more
            • • lol...you crack me up... — Faith, Thu Feb 10 6:50am
                So in your opinion...one needs always to remain completely open to all and any deception that's thrown their way? Sitting on the fence is better than having found the truth and then protecting it... more
              • • Hardly — Robert , Thu Feb 10 7:10am
                  My opinion is... one should use their brains (confidently if they have any) to weigh historically sound research if they in fact are truth seeking. Presuppositions of said research being "deceptive", ... more
                • • I've already done that... — Anonymous, Thu Feb 10 7:19am
                    But at some point Robert, you have to settle the matter..unless you haven't found the trth of course. Certainly keep looking. But when the day comes that God finally sees your sincerity and He... more
                  • • Really!? — Robert , Thu Feb 10 7:28am
                      What was the kindergarden teacher trying to tell you? Ok, just kidding. Now as to Him revealing Himself to me----what was it you just said to Trish about "directly"?
                    • • God revealed Himself to me — Faith, Thu Feb 10 7:30am
                        through His Word, Robert. I didn't experience some mystical apparition. Sorry to disappoint you.
                      • • Except it is not his word — Christopher Blackwell, Fri Feb 11 6:27pm
                          Faith, Just what some human authrors put together and then claimed it was God's word.
                        • • That's your misguided opinion.. — Faith, Fri Feb 11 7:42pm
                            nothing more... Those of us who have exprerienced rebirth and know Him through His Word would beg to differ with you greatly.
                    • oops that was me (nm) — Faith, Thu Feb 10 7:20am
          • Those who do not believe the Scripture- — frank, Wed Feb 9 4:55pm
            or do not WANT to believe the Scripture do not put forth the effort to study ALL the context, look up parallel passages, or meditate on the different related passages that completely & correctly... more
          • • If that's true, Frank — greenman, Wed Feb 9 7:17pm
              ...it pretty much blows your "scholarship" in the area of evolutionary biology out of the water, doesn't it? :)
            • Frank you know better — Trish, Wed Feb 9 5:01pm
              I spent many years studying scripture in a fundamentalist setting. At that point in my life I truly believed but the more I studied, the more I researched the less credible claims became. So I... more
            • • Trish...directly? — Anonymous, Thu Feb 10 5:49am
                Seriously? How can you know if it is really God speaking directly to you? It could be any number of deceiving spirits who mascarade as angels in white.... God gave His Word for foundation so that we... more
              • • Since no deity has ever written any book... — Truthteller, Thu Feb 10 8:25am
                  by default, scripture IS a "human invention." And as such is NOT inerrant or infallible. The people who DID write it CLAIMED to take inspiration from "god," but it could have been any number of... more
                • • You are just wrong — Faith, Thu Feb 10 9:18am
                    The Holy Scriptures are the work of God only. Sorry. He confirms His full inspiration with fulfilled prophecy. No other holy book or writings outside of the Old and New Testaments can make the same... more
                  • • I'm sorry too---I disagree — Truthteller, Thu Feb 10 9:27am
                      gods don't write books. You can ignore that, but the overwhelming proofs say you are wrong.
                    • • too? — Faith, Thu Feb 10 9:34am
                        Did I say I was sorry? Man cannot predict with 100% accuracy. Therefore God wrote the Bible. These Scriptures make this claim for themselves and prove it through their words--even if you can't see... more
                      • • Not trying to convince you of anything... — Truthteller, Thu Feb 10 9:40am
                          other than the fact that not everybody agrees with you. Yes, you DID say you were sorry...check back.
                        • • I did check... — Faith, Thu Feb 10 10:05am
                            not in this section did I say anything about being sorry...maybe elsewhere I did, but that has nothing to do with this thread. It doesn't matter. What does whether anyone else agrees with me have to... more
                          • • Well, that's all you need — Truthteller, Thu Feb 10 10:30am
                              I dunno about you, but I really don't care what other people think about my religion or anything else.
                            • • I don't care and I do... — Faith, Thu Feb 10 10:50am
                                I am called to try and share my faith, so I do it. I do get extremely bothered with lies and misinformation that gets thrown around regarding my faith and its source--God's Holy written Word.
                              • • One person's lie is another's truth — Truthteller, Thu Feb 10 12:09pm
                                  that is why you get the disunity in Christianity.
                                • • no...the disunity comes from deception — Faith, Thu Feb 10 1:52pm
                                    where certain so-called believers are easily led away from what is written and prefer instead to entertain their own desires. There is no disunity in the true body--that's all that really matters.
                                  • • You can probably blame the pastors... — Truthteller, Thu Feb 10 2:11pm
                                      who, after all, put their own spin into what their scripture says. Who can really say what the "true body" of Christianity really is any more? I don't think any of the denominations come very close... more
                                    • • Hi Truthteller — Robert , Fri Feb 11 6:31am
                                      • • context is everything... — Faith, Fri Feb 11 7:44pm
                                          You completely miss just "who" this generation really is.... Too bad for you : (
                                        • • who indeed — Robert , Sat Feb 12 5:56am
                                            "those who are standing before me". Tell us how you reconcile saying in one breath that the Bible speaks in plain language yet when faced with a conundrum you abandon such by pulling the context... more
                                          • • we've already been through this — Faith, Sun Feb 13 8:42am
                                              it was extensive..what? You can't remeber? See? That's why it is a huge waste of time.
                                      • You are right.... — Faith, Thu Feb 10 3:05pm
                                        Not one religion or denomination in particular is the true church or body of Jesus Christ. But then again, it never has been. From the very begining, deception, false teachers and unbelievers have... more
                • oops that was me (nm) — Faith, Thu Feb 10 5:59am
        • hit.nail.head, Faith — shadow, Wed Feb 9 3:58pm
          To the 'scholastics' the Bible is often just another book and is treated as just another book. That approach is limited by the criteria that are used when researching 'just another book'. A lot can... more
        • • if Christians were more honest — trish, Wed Feb 9 4:43pm
            they'd openly admit that they DISAGREE on scripture and therefore are just as much in the dark as people like you try to claim of "non-believers" If non believers are fibbing so are YOU.
          • • There is a difference — Faith, Thu Feb 10 6:11am
              between disagreeing on secondary aspects of God's Word such as the timing of things...ya know, when will the rapture occur--before during or after Tribulation...? What/who is the apostate religion... more
            • You're just plain wrong, Trish. — Shadow, Wed Feb 9 5:33pm
              There is absolutely no correlation between what the non-believers disagree on and the differences among believers. And Christians are not in the dark, no matter how much you'd like to think so. As... more
            • • Unbelievable arrogance — greenman, Wed Feb 9 7:16pm
                I'd thought even you didn't come up to Faith in that particular area, but I was wrong - if anything, you're MORE arrogant and self-righteous even than she is!
              • • arrogance? Or confidence...? — Faith, Thu Feb 10 6:14am
                  I know it rubs you the wrong way....but that's just too bad, greenman. It doesn't give you the right to be insulting and to make this personal. In fact, I believe it is against the board rules to... more
                • • Confident arrogance is still arrogance — greenman, Thu Feb 10 5:30pm
                    ...but your kind is probably the insecure kind, which you use to bolster your shaky beliefs. Whistling past the graveyard, as it were...:)
                  • • The only insecure kind — Faith, Fri Feb 11 7:49pm
                      is obviously you : ( You are the one with the "shaky" beliefs..if you have any beliefs at all that is...you seem only to be able to attack mine. That tells us alot!!
  • LOL Wot a bunch of — frank, Wed Feb 9 2:19pm
    lies! The Bible requires Pastors to be MEN. This is just another female wannabe tickling the ears of a bunch of weak or false Christians-especially homosexuals. Leave it to an enemy of Christianity... more
  • • I don't dislike christianity — Gateway, Wed Feb 9 8:23pm
      why some of my best friends are christian.
    • More unsupported claims — Christopher Blackwell , Wed Feb 9 7:11pm
      Frank, More claims by you about people who disagree with you which are unsupported. I believe that is called lying by some.
    • • another rule breaking poster in this thread — Faith, Thu Feb 10 6:22am
        We are not to call anyone a liar, Christopher...Ken's rule...not mine. The only person making unsupported claims is the author of this article that we are all debating.
      • • You're not exactly "debating," are you? — greenman, Thu Feb 10 5:31pm
          More like demanding, insisting, and oh yeah, whining...:)
        • And yet another rule — Robert , Thu Feb 10 6:51am
          is to not bring a closed mind to the board----oops!
        • • You know therer is a thing to be said about an open mind, — Gvu, Thu Feb 10 7:16am
            opened like a sewer. Not accusing you of having one, but that it can a negative; a detriment to the soul. Mat 10:16 Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as... more
          • • Sewers — Robert , Thu Feb 10 8:31am
              An open sewer at least gets fresh air---a closed one stinks to the high heavens.
            • • ?stinks to the high heavens??, anyway I was thinking of an — Gvu, Thu Feb 10 8:45am
                openness that stays clean like a trout stream, that won't be a detriment to one's soul. Mat 10:16 Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and... more
          • You confuse my assurance — Faith, Thu Feb 10 6:55am
            and confidence that I have found the truth with closedmindedness. Ya know, Robert...at some point in time, you have to find what you are looking for. I have. No need to be led astray at this point.... more
          • • Interesting — Robert , Thu Feb 10 7:22am
              Now Faith, if you will, please share with us the multiple sources of your assurance/confidence----remember now, you have already mentioned your multifaceted yet nonspecific "journey". Please feel... more
            • • Not playing the game Robert — Faith, Thu Feb 10 7:27am
                My born-again conversion was very real, something I experienced after years of seeking God in all the wrong places. The one thin that was true of me is that I wanted God wherever it was that He was... more
              • • Specific as mud-many thanks. — Robert , Thu Feb 10 7:40am
                  Not playing the game----or, not facing the music as to not having a source other than your literal/devotional only consumption!? Pretty obvious to both your ilk and others here. How bout just 4 or 5... more
                • • Those who know me — Faith, Thu Feb 10 8:02am
                    and have posted in depth with me over the years know very well that I am an informed believer. However, it isn't by my study or research that I became born-again. My study and research came... more
                  • • Finally! Thanks, Faith — Robert , Thu Feb 10 8:27am
                      Wow, did that have to be so painful? We finally know the truth----your defensive "journey" statement earlier in this thread to Trish was just Toro dung. And your "assurance/confidence" in fact only... more
                    • • you are sounding a bit desperate Robert..why? — Faith, Thu Feb 10 9:22am
                        I've been posting for almost 12 years..so, you are a little behind. Just remember to put on the armor of God when you come to find the answers you are still looking for., so thatr you can start to... more
                      • • huh? Desparate? r u serious? — Robert , Thu Feb 10 10:08am
                          If you comprehend my posts in this thread as "desparate" in any way whatsoever, then maybe my suggestions to you to read, study, and research may be off base. I do however appreciate you finally... more
                        • • certainly desperate if you need to claim — Faith, Thu Feb 10 10:18am
                            victory as you did with the false statement that I admitted that I am "no well read/researched poster" and that now that I have have "fessed up" I will "no longer claim to be." What utter ridiculous... more
                          • • Zero need to claim — Robert , Thu Feb 10 11:19am
                              anything of the sort. The only need here is one of intellectual honesty. You claimed a multifaceted "journey" of study etc. was the source of your assurances/confidence. I challenged you to share... more
                            • • I was clear that I am not interested in games — Faith, Thu Feb 10 11:36am
                                I also did not say i didn't have the time, I said that it would take the kind of time that I wasn't willing to give--for obvious reasons. The bottom line Robert, is that rebirth is not the result of... more
                              • • It's ok Faith, — Robert , Thu Feb 10 2:43pm
                                  the embarrassment will pass.
                                • • For your sake, I hope you are right — Faith, Thu Feb 10 3:07pm
                                    But in the meantime, don't let it chase you away...mpost people here have short memories.
    • Leave it to patriarchal Frank — greenman, Wed Feb 9 6:49pm
      ....to mock others, mock their faith, attack women's rights, and launch personal attacks on those with a different opinion. Yes, Frank's a TRUE Christian...just ask him...:)
    • Re: LOL Wot a bunch of — Anonymous, Wed Feb 9 2:33pm
      http://ucmpage.org/articles/facts_about_homosexuality.html ================================================ Article --------------------------------------------------------------------------------... more
    • • narth is hardly an unbiased source — sym, Wed Feb 9 2:58pm
        and for the rest of the rant in this thread - shame on you.
      • • Shame on you for not letting the — frank, Wed Feb 9 4:47pm
          printed word spoeak to you-whether it is Scripture, or something like Narth & its facts & figures.
        • • find less biased sources Frank including — trish, Wed Feb 9 5:02pm
            yourself.
          • • You're about as solid — shadow, Wed Feb 9 5:34pm
              as Jello nailed to a tree and, therefore, imo, attempting to claim that that's the case for everyone. A sad state of affairs. Without the truth, there is no lack of bias.

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