VerdeletYou want fries with that?Fri Feb 11, 2011 12:23pm184.108.40.206More jobs are becoming available, but they are "starter" jobs, not really suitable for someone trying to support a family. And, it's difficult for a high-tech worker to get a McDonald's job because they are "overqualified" for the work. Basically, we're still in a lousy job market and are likely to be in one for years to come.
Jobs are back! But the pay stinks
About 75% of jobs created so far in the recovery have been low-wage jobs, according to one analysis.
NEW YORK (CNNMoney) -- There are two problems with the jobs recovery to date. Employers haven't added enough jobs. And those they have added aren't particularly good ones.
The former has gotten a lot of attention. But the low-wage jobs that have been added are also a cause for concern.
"Growth has been concentrated in mid-wage and lower-wage industries. By contrast, higher-wage industries showed weak growth and even net losses," said Annette Bernhardt, policy co-director for the National Employment Law Project. She said that growth has been far more unbalanced than during previous job recoveries.
Bernhardt's analysis of the first seven months of 2010 found that 76% of jobs created were in low- to mid-wage industries -- those earning between $8.92 to $15 an hour, well below the national average hourly wage of $22.60.
But the biggest problem is continued job losses in higher-wage industries severely hit by the bursting of the housing bubble -- construction and financial services. Recoveries in those sectors helped lead the economy out of earlier downturns, but they're still suffering more than a year and a half after the official end of the Great Recession.
High-wage sectors -- made up of jobs that pay between $17.43 and $31 an hour -- accounted for nearly half the jobs lost during the recession, but have produced only 5% of the new jobs since hiring resumed, Bernhardt's study showed.
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Even in some of the higher-wage industries that are hiring, it's lower-wage occupations within the sector where the jobs are being added, according to William Rodgers, chief economist for the Heldrich Center for Workforce Development at Rutgers University.
Case in point: Professional and business services sectors gained a healthy 366,000 jobs in 2010. Workers in that sector earned $27.23 an hour, on average, in 2010. But almost all of the new jobs -- 308,000 -- came in temporary help services, where the average hourly wage was only $15 an hour.
And those temporary jobs accounted for nearly one in four jobs created by all types of businesses last year.
"This recovery is being driven very much by temp employers," said Rodgers.
Will it last?
A big worry is whether the trend toward low-wage jobs will continue. Experts say it's too soon to tell.
But the Bureau of Labor Statistics has made some worrisome projections about the pay for jobs likely to be created.
The BLS's most recent job growth forecast, published back in November 2009 and projecting the job market from 2008 through 2018, identified 30 different occupations expected to experience the best growth.
The good news is that the occupation expected to add the most jobs over those 10 years -- registered nurse -- is considered "very high wage." But the six occupations with the largest gains are all classified as either "low wage" or "very low wage." Among those jobs are home health aides, retail sales people and food preparation -- including fast food workers.
Overall, 55% of the jobs growth forecasted in the 30 fastest-growing occupations identified by BLS, are considered to be low- or very low-wage.
The greater number of low-wage jobs shouldn't be a surprise, said Kristina J. Bartsch, chief of occupational outlook for BLS, simply because higher-wage occupations are always going to be in the minority. Some of the jobs projected to enjoy the fastest pace of growth are very high-wage.
For example, network systems and data communications analyst jobs are projected to increase by more than 50%, but they are still only a small portion of the workforce.
"By and large, occupations that are more high skill, and have high wages, are fast growing," she said. "They're just not as huge as waiters and waitresses."
- Food Stamps? At restaurants? SES, Thu Feb 10 11:43amI drive up to Richmond once a week for a Yoga Class. On my way up I pass a Mexican restaurant in one of the poorer parts of South Richmond. They have a big banner outside -- "WE ACCEPT FOOD STAMPS".... more
- My wife works at a small "Nature Food" store. David F Mayer, Fri Feb 11 12:30pmShe frequently has customers who drive up in new and expensive cars and pay for their groceries with food stamps. David F Mayer
- I wonder why she notices.... (nm) donk, Fri Feb 11 5:26pm
- Sometimes you can't ignore it Truthteller, Sat Feb 12 9:48amwe have a couple of large Mexican families who use them in the store and then go out and load up their groceries in their nice, new Escalade.
- I can a;ways ignore it... donk, Sat Feb 12 1:25pm"There but for the grace of God go I" is a big cliche' with me, so I simply do not pay any attention to what others are doing. I do pay attention to the T&A they want to display, but that's got... more
- I do---it's more amusing Truthteller, Sat Feb 12 4:16pmand in the case of the welfare queen in an Escalade, somewhat more annoying as well.
- I was in the back seat of a car cc, Fri Feb 11 1:44pm...on the way to inspect and review a computer system in another California county. Sitting beside me was the manager of the welfare accounting systems for our county. I commented to him about one of ... more
- so, you have a problem with buying people off... donk, Fri Feb 11 5:28pmso they'll stay out of the workforce?
- a lot of votes for people with that attitude! shadow, Fri Feb 11 3:49pmWe put up with it; we pay for it.
- What? Do you mean that you see something wrong with.... SES, Fri Feb 11 2:10pm...people being on welfare for years and years and years, and then taking vacation trips to Spain? You heartless bastid, you. lol The whole welfare system needs to be scrapped and reworked. Just like ... more
- What got me was that manager's POV cc, Fri Feb 11 2:36pm...abide by a strict interpretation of the rules as written and "all is well". Note, however - if he DID NOT go by the rules as written he would have been in serious trouble.
- I told my Boss some of the stories my daughter tells me... SES, Fri Feb 11 12:34pm...and he said that he was in line behind a woman who was in an Army uniform with a small child. She was using Food Stamps. The kid wanted a candy bar, and she said they were just getting food and he ... more
- Is it possible that it wasn't her vehicle? Moraith, Fri Feb 11 12:41pmPerhaps she was borrowing it from a friend or family member.
- If they have friends or family that can... SES, Fri Feb 11 12:59pm...lend them a BMW, then they have friends or family that can lend them 40 bucks for groceries. I guess it's easier to just take money from strangers that you don't ever actually have to meet... more
- Simply because a person can afford nice things Moraith, Fri Feb 11 7:15pmdoesn't mean that they can afford to pay for another person's bills. Perhaps the owner of the BMW has assets that are liquid. I'm just offering another possibility.
- **aren't (nm) Moraith, Fri Feb 11 7:15pm
- Maybe they owned an old, beat up BMW.... KR, Fri Feb 11 2:11pm...and it was in the shop. They give you a brand new one as a loaner.
- Get rid of food stamps. Roy, Fri Feb 11 11:01amEvery city should build a centrally located "kitchen" that cooks giant vats of gruel. Several bowls of gruel and a glass of water everyday will get these lazy basstids off their arses to find a job!
- To a certain extent, I agree. SES, Fri Feb 11 12:02pmI don't know what people can use Food Stamps to buy. Can they get pretty much anything? Frozen pizza? Soda? Doritos? Ice Cream? There could be a section of the grocery store where all of the Food... more
- Because there are SO many jobs out there. Poppet, Fri Feb 11 11:35am/rolleyes
- 842 jobs listed here. SES, Fri Feb 11 12:06pmI don't know how many jobs are available where YOU are, though: http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/job-search?partner=rtd&kw=&locations=Richmond%2C+VA&metro_search_proxy=2&metro_search=2&industry =
- Yeah greenman, Sat Feb 12 12:55pmAnd every unemployed person could do at least one of them, huh? Better start yourself a job service matching the unemployed with their perfect job, make yourself a bundle! :)
- Sure, there are THOUSANDS of jobs. David F Mayer, Fri Feb 11 12:26pmUnfortunately, there are several times as many unemployed persons as there are jobs. It is a numbers thing. Suppose that there are 100,000 open jobs and 500,000 persons looking for work. Then at... more
- It is not just the #; it is the # that pay ENOUGH to afford sT, Fri Feb 11 1:27pma family & a house.
- Yeah. 'cause everyone is entitled to live... SES, Fri Feb 11 1:38pm...in a house. Oh, and drive a nice car. And maybe eat out three nights a week, too. I mean, if those things don't effect a person's "general welfare", what does, right? So obviously the Federal... more
- People USED to be DIRT POOR; & THEN there were UNIONS & S.S. (nm sT, Fri Feb 11 1:52pm
- People used to not feel entitled to... SES, Fri Feb 11 2:06pm...eating out when they were taking Charity. People never felt entitled to cable TV and Internet and three cellphones with texting and camera/video capability and three cars and four weeks of... more
- Do U REALLY want to return to a time when MOST PEOPLE WERE sT, Fri Feb 11 2:19pmDIRT POOR? REALLY?
- Suppose you're unemployed. SES, Fri Feb 11 12:32pmAnd suppose there are 1,000 job openings in your community. Secretaries, Security Officers, Equipment Operators, Fleet Managers, Engineers, Loan Officers, Sales Reps, Welders, Maintenance Mechanics,... more
- It is simple arithmetic. David F Mayer, Fri Feb 11 12:34pmIf there are 1000 jobs and 5000 people apply to them, then at least 4000 of them are NOT going to get hired.
- Then start a business!!! Roy, Fri Feb 11 12:43pmI know a guy that was employed as a plant manager until the company downsized and he got laid off. He took some classes in heating and air conditioning (something totally unrelated to anything he had ... more
- Do the Math again. SES, Fri Feb 11 12:35pmOne person is unemployed. There are 1,000 job openings. Why is that one person unemployed?
- My point is... Poppet, Fri Feb 11 12:15pmMy point is, there are a lot fewer job openings than there are applicants these days...a lot . Furthermore, a lot of the jobs that are waiting to be filled are only suitable for a very... more
- How many are unemployed there? Ken C, Fri Feb 11 12:12pmI suspect there are a lot more unemployed people than available jobs.
- You want fries with that? Verdelet, Fri Feb 11 12:23pm
- WHERE ARE THE JOBS that will pay the rent & groceries, much sT, Fri Feb 11 11:25amless a mortgage & enough to support a family? With computers & robots & OUTSOURCING & FIXEDnews & CONS helping BIG BUSINESS SCREW union sentiment, good paying middle class jobs are in SHORTER &... more
- In China, where else? That is where American businesses David F Mayer, Fri Feb 11 12:27pmlocate their factories these days. David F Mayer
- Too bad we don't have a sattelite TV channel spreading the sT, Fri Feb 11 1:56pmbenefits of labor unions & S.S. to the Chinese & other 3rdWorld poor.
- It wouldn't matter. If they tried it, they would be shot. (nm) David F Mayer, Sun Feb 13 6:43am
- Your attitude Roy, Fri Feb 11 12:21pmYour attitude is a perfect example of why this country is going downhill FAST! Just think if throughout human history people sat around and pouted and whined constantly that there was no food or that ... more
- NO; it is the attitude of U & FIXEDnews&CONS that has sT, Fri Feb 11 1:25pmIMMENSELY GREATENED the VERY REAL DESPARITY between the poor and the SUPER & ULTRA RICH. The MIDDLE CLASS has SIGNIFICANTLY SHRUNK over the past couple of decades thanks to the tax policies of RAYgun ... more
- NO; it is the attitude of U & FIXEDnews&CONS that has sT, Fri Feb 11 1:23pmIMMENSELY GREATENED the VERY REAL DESPARITY between the poor and the SUPER & ULTRA RICH. The MIDDLE CLASS has SIGNIFICANTLY SHRUNK over the past couple of decades thanks to the tax policies of RAYgun ... more
- IMO it depends sym, Fri Feb 11 9:43amIf you buy a quart of fried rice at a Chinese place you get a LOT of rice. Maybe not as much as if you made it yourself, but it includes vegetables and sometimes a little meat. For someone who isn't... more
- Oh, you thought food stamps were about feeding the poor? PureStevil, Fri Feb 11 7:59amWell, they probably said they were, but really it's just a forced expenditure from the middle class to guarantee some income for grocery stores and restaurants.
- I agree, much to your surprise; it should not be allowed. sT, Thu Feb 10 6:10pmGov. aid should be reserved for those who need it & not wasted on restaurants.
- This is an indication that government supported charities... SES, Fri Feb 11 6:11am...can be cut, along with every other government agency. Cut everything, across the board. Defense, Education, Welfare, Food Stamps, everything. The government wastes at LEAST 10% of every dollar it... more
- I disagree with cutting Food Stamps. These days they should sT, Fri Feb 11 10:05ambe made MORE avail. Wrong that people should have to sell off what little stock savings they have in bad times just to put food on the table. There goes their retirement along w/S.S. after the tCONS... more
- This isn't about "cutting Food Stamps". SES, Fri Feb 11 10:35amIt's about making sure that the people who GET Food Stamps actually NEED them. Whether anyone should be able to get them at ALL is a different topic.
- If the family bread winner loses his job thanks to a BUSTED sT, Fri Feb 11 11:28amEconomy, Food Stamps SHOULD BE READILY AVAILABLE, withOUT forcing life savings to be cashed in.
- Now on THAT we disagree. SES, Fri Feb 11 11:55amIf a family has, for example, $50,000 in the bank, they should NOT be getting Food Stamps. That would be ridiculous. Food Stamps are supposed to be for people who are in desperate need. People with... more
- Unemployment won't pay the mortgage. Do U REALLY want to sT, Fri Feb 11 2:43pmkick kids out onto the streets or take away a life savings that some1 is hoping to add to their S.S. when they get too old to drag themselves to work every day?
- other side of the issue... donk, Fri Feb 11 4:49amGovernment aid is what it is and I really can't begrudge those who must have it an occasional moment out of the pit. Why others do, is really beyond me. I'm forever reminded of that old adage, "Walk... more
- Why are you trying to tell them how to eat? greenman, Thu Feb 10 5:12pmWhat kind of neo-fascist, big-government, nanny-state socialist ARE you? :)
- No.... expecting them to use OUR money Sprout, Thu Feb 10 5:27pmin the most efficient manner feasible... If you personally were having to foot my grocery bill I would bet that you would not like it if I were opting to eat out all week, and enjoying steak all the... more
- Ease up Sprout. Her used a Smiley Face. SES, Fri Feb 11 6:02amThat means he was just kidding. ;-)
- She's right, Sprout greenman, Sat Feb 12 12:56pmI did...:)
- a couple of million... donk, Fri Feb 11 4:51amfor a Hellfire to use to kill women and children? Sure is my idea of a good time.
- Here's the kicker greenman, Thu Feb 10 5:42pmFor a supporter of individual rights, you sure do want the state to dictate to people, don't you? :)
- Not at all... you forget what I actually propose from time Sprout, Thu Feb 10 5:49pmto time.... I don't propose giving anyone MONEY. If someone needs help, they are to be given it in the MOST efficient method possible. They are to live in barracks. Eat in communal dining facilities. ... more
- Yikes greenman, Fri Feb 11 5:26pmSorry, I'm with Donk on that one....that's beyond government interference and all the way to fascism. Odd how quickly Libertarianism can turn ugly...
- Not at all.... the part you are ignoring time and time again Sprout, Sun Feb 13 3:35pmis that NOBODY is FORCED to be there... They can take part, or not. It is up to them as individuals... We just won't GIVE them money or support unless they are willing to WORK for them.
- No, of COURSE not greenman, Sun Feb 13 5:38pmThey could starve, or let their families starve, huh? Instead, they should be GRATEFUL for being allowed into Sprout's Libertarian Work Camp! Arbeit Macht Frei, bums! :(
- Similar to the Reich's "solution..." donk, Fri Feb 11 5:41amExcellent!
- Ah... knew the Nazi reference would show up... Sprout, Fri Feb 11 5:20pmThe last bastion of those who have no argument... Right after spelling debates.
- because you think like them.... donk, Fri Feb 11 5:25pmcertainly no surprise. Now, does it bother you that you and they share social attitudes? Of course not. Of course, those who are too stupid to recognize argument are the first to decide others have... more
- You mean similar to FDR. (nm) SES, Fri Feb 11 12:08pm
- Nazi Germany had a successful economy. Ken C, Fri Feb 11 11:40amThey would have stayed a financial success if they didn't loose WWII. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_Germany#Economy
- Incorrect.... they would likely have stayed a Sprout, Fri Feb 11 5:21pmfinancial success if they didn't START WWII... AND if they didn't engage in atrocities which would have been found out and acted on eventually.
- suggest you study the events and world situation.... donk, Fri Feb 11 5:34pmwhich led up to WWII.
- Of course they did, but.... donk, Fri Feb 11 5:21pmthey did lose WWII and their "solution" for certain undesirables helped lead to that war. And, the poster's proposal is quite similar to the Reich's social "solutions."
- Of course.... giving people choices is just the same Sprout, Fri Feb 11 5:25pmas herding them into camps and killing them.... Exactly the same....
- No, it certainly is not... (nm) donk - laughing, Fri Feb 11 5:30pm
- Why wasn't that done cc, Thu Feb 10 5:55pm...with the bankers and insurance company executives who got all those bailout bonuses?
- Can't do that here in Oregon. Poppet, Thu Feb 10 4:59pmCan't use our equivalent (it's a card like a credit or debit card) to buy things like deli foods, smokes, or booze, either. Personally, I don't care if morons want to waste their stipend (I'm paying... more
- Well Hell! RthB, Thu Feb 10 4:45pmFood stamps are just another form of Liberal government's fake money to appease the idiots living down in the dark, filthy sewers. RthB
- what's it to you? (nm) donk, Thu Feb 10 2:35pm
- He is PAYING FOR IT. (nm) David F Mayer, Thu Feb 10 4:39pm
- we're all paying for it... donk, Fri Feb 11 4:53amI guess some are just more selfish than others....
- But he's doing so regardless... Poppet, Thu Feb 10 4:56pmBut he's doing so regardless of what the food stamps are spent on...and you only get a certain amount per month (I presume). If dumbasses want to run short before the end of the month, that's their... more
- If you're so desparate for food that you have to... SES, Fri Feb 11 7:11am...accept charity from the taxpayers, you shouldn't be using that charity to buy steak and lobster, or champagne, or Fast Food, or eating dinner out at three times what it would cost to buy food at a ... more
- I think that on an indivdiual scale you are certainly Sprout, Thu Feb 10 5:05pmcorrect... But when one calculates in the bigger picture of larger numbers of individuals wasting social support dollars, we start to get into real money... In addition, do you really think that when ... more
- Fair enough. Poppet, Thu Feb 10 5:32pmIf someone spend sup their food assistance, they are indeed going to be looking at some other form of charity, that's true. More often than not, this will be private charity, which has no effect on... more
- I do not think it is unreasonable to expect Sprout, Thu Feb 10 4:11pmthose who are living on the kindness of others to utilize the moneys and resources they are GIVEN in the MOST efficient method feasible. It is not unreasonable to expect those who are a burden on... more
- How expensive is the food? Ken C, Thu Feb 10 12:26pmOne restaurant near here has a deli section where they sell food for people to take home and cook. Is Yoga class a good place to meet women?
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