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NO; it is the attitude of U & FIXEDnews&CONS that has
Fri Feb 11, 2011 1:25pm
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IMMENSELY GREATENED the VERY REAL DESPARITY between the poor and the SUPER & ULTRA RICH. The MIDDLE CLASS has SIGNIFICANTLY SHRUNK over the past couple of decades thanks to the tax policies of RAYgun & bush. THESE ARE REAL FACTS!

What U & GLOOM&DOOMbeck & the rest of your FIXEDnewsCONS doN'T understand about REAL HISTORY is that MOST OF HISTORY had NO MIDDLE CLASS! MOST PEOPLE WERE DIRT POOR!

Our UNIQUE MIDDLE CLASS was a product of social-safety nets like S.S. that allowed US to invest with the belief that there would at least be SOMETHING at the end of our lives if all else failed (Japan lacks that, as does MOST OF THE WORLD), AND the rise of labor unions which gave the working enough of an income to afford a family & house of their own.

What U & animatedCLOWNbeck & WHINYpalin would do is return US to a time when the UNfortunate old wandered the streets looking for the POORhouse OR a HAND-OUT --- U know, "FAITH, HOPE & CHARITY"! NONE of which would a self respecting individual EVER want to have to rely on.

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Food Stamps? At restaurants? — SES, Thu Feb 10 11:43am

I drive up to Richmond once a week for a Yoga Class. On my way up I pass a Mexican restaurant in one of the poorer parts of South Richmond. They have a big banner outside -- "WE ACCEPT FOOD STAMPS".... more
My wife works at a small "Nature Food" store. — David F Mayer, Fri Feb 11 12:30pm

She frequently has customers who drive up in new and expensive cars and pay for their groceries with food stamps. David F Mayer
I wonder why she notices.... (nm) — donk, Fri Feb 11 5:26pm

Sometimes you can't ignore it — Truthteller, Sat Feb 12 9:48am

we have a couple of large Mexican families who use them in the store and then go out and load up their groceries in their nice, new Escalade.
I can a;ways ignore it... — donk, Sat Feb 12 1:25pm

"There but for the grace of God go I" is a big cliche' with me, so I simply do not pay any attention to what others are doing. I do pay attention to the T&A they want to display, but that's got... more
I do---it's more amusing — Truthteller, Sat Feb 12 4:16pm

and in the case of the welfare queen in an Escalade, somewhat more annoying as well.
I was in the back seat of a car — cc, Fri Feb 11 1:44pm

...on the way to inspect and review a computer system in another California county. Sitting beside me was the manager of the welfare accounting systems for our county. I commented to him about one of ... more
so, you have a problem with buying people off... — donk, Fri Feb 11 5:28pm

so they'll stay out of the workforce?
a lot of votes for people with that attitude! — shadow, Fri Feb 11 3:49pm

We put up with it; we pay for it.
What? Do you mean that you see something wrong with.... — SES, Fri Feb 11 2:10pm

...people being on welfare for years and years and years, and then taking vacation trips to Spain? You heartless bastid, you. lol The whole welfare system needs to be scrapped and reworked. Just like ... more
What got me was that manager's POV — cc, Fri Feb 11 2:36pm

...abide by a strict interpretation of the rules as written and "all is well". Note, however - if he DID NOT go by the rules as written he would have been in serious trouble.
I told my Boss some of the stories my daughter tells me... — SES, Fri Feb 11 12:34pm

...and he said that he was in line behind a woman who was in an Army uniform with a small child. She was using Food Stamps. The kid wanted a candy bar, and she said they were just getting food and he ... more
Is it possible that it wasn't her vehicle? — Moraith, Fri Feb 11 12:41pm

Perhaps she was borrowing it from a friend or family member.
If they have friends or family that can... — SES, Fri Feb 11 12:59pm

...lend them a BMW, then they have friends or family that can lend them 40 bucks for groceries. I guess it's easier to just take money from strangers that you don't ever actually have to meet... more
Simply because a person can afford nice things — Moraith, Fri Feb 11 7:15pm

doesn't mean that they can afford to pay for another person's bills. Perhaps the owner of the BMW has assets that are liquid. I'm just offering another possibility.
**aren't (nm) — Moraith, Fri Feb 11 7:15pm

Maybe they owned an old, beat up BMW.... — KR, Fri Feb 11 2:11pm

...and it was in the shop. They give you a brand new one as a loaner.
Get rid of food stamps. — Roy, Fri Feb 11 11:01am

Every city should build a centrally located "kitchen" that cooks giant vats of gruel. Several bowls of gruel and a glass of water everyday will get these lazy basstids off their arses to find a job!
To a certain extent, I agree. — SES, Fri Feb 11 12:02pm

I don't know what people can use Food Stamps to buy. Can they get pretty much anything? Frozen pizza? Soda? Doritos? Ice Cream? There could be a section of the grocery store where all of the Food... more
Because there are SO many jobs out there. — Poppet, Fri Feb 11 11:35am

/rolleyes
842 jobs listed here. — SES, Fri Feb 11 12:06pm

I don't know how many jobs are available where YOU are, though: http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/job-search?partner=rtd&kw=&locations=Richmond%2C+VA&metro_search_proxy=2&metro_search=2&industry =
Yeah — greenman, Sat Feb 12 12:55pm

And every unemployed person could do at least one of them, huh? Better start yourself a job service matching the unemployed with their perfect job, make yourself a bundle! :)
Sure, there are THOUSANDS of jobs. — David F Mayer, Fri Feb 11 12:26pm

Unfortunately, there are several times as many unemployed persons as there are jobs. It is a numbers thing. Suppose that there are 100,000 open jobs and 500,000 persons looking for work. Then at... more
It is not just the #; it is the # that pay ENOUGH to afford — sT, Fri Feb 11 1:27pm

a family & a house.
Yeah. 'cause everyone is entitled to live... — SES, Fri Feb 11 1:38pm

...in a house. Oh, and drive a nice car. And maybe eat out three nights a week, too. I mean, if those things don't effect a person's "general welfare", what does, right? So obviously the Federal... more
People USED to be DIRT POOR; & THEN there were UNIONS & S.S. (nm — sT, Fri Feb 11 1:52pm

People used to not feel entitled to... — SES, Fri Feb 11 2:06pm

...eating out when they were taking Charity. People never felt entitled to cable TV and Internet and three cellphones with texting and camera/video capability and three cars and four weeks of... more
Do U REALLY want to return to a time when MOST PEOPLE WERE — sT, Fri Feb 11 2:19pm

DIRT POOR? REALLY?
Suppose you're unemployed. — SES, Fri Feb 11 12:32pm

And suppose there are 1,000 job openings in your community. Secretaries, Security Officers, Equipment Operators, Fleet Managers, Engineers, Loan Officers, Sales Reps, Welders, Maintenance Mechanics,... more
It is simple arithmetic. — David F Mayer, Fri Feb 11 12:34pm

If there are 1000 jobs and 5000 people apply to them, then at least 4000 of them are NOT going to get hired.
Then start a business!!! — Roy, Fri Feb 11 12:43pm

I know a guy that was employed as a plant manager until the company downsized and he got laid off. He took some classes in heating and air conditioning (something totally unrelated to anything he had ... more
Do the Math again. — SES, Fri Feb 11 12:35pm

One person is unemployed. There are 1,000 job openings. Why is that one person unemployed?
Because for each job that he applies for, there — David F Mayer, Sun Feb 13 6:36am

are already dozens of applicants, since people apply for many jobs to get one. His application is swamped.
Good point. (nm) — Roy, Fri Feb 11 12:51pm

My point is... — Poppet, Fri Feb 11 12:15pm

My point is, there are a lot fewer job openings than there are applicants these days...a lot . Furthermore, a lot of the jobs that are waiting to be filled are only suitable for a very... more
How many are unemployed there? — Ken C, Fri Feb 11 12:12pm

I suspect there are a lot more unemployed people than available jobs.
You want fries with that? — Verdelet, Fri Feb 11 12:23pm

More jobs are becoming available, but they are "starter" jobs, not really suitable for someone trying to support a family. And, it's difficult for a high-tech worker to get a McDonald's job because... more
WHERE ARE THE JOBS that will pay the rent & groceries, much — sT, Fri Feb 11 11:25am

less a mortgage & enough to support a family? With computers & robots & OUTSOURCING & FIXEDnews & CONS helping BIG BUSINESS SCREW union sentiment, good paying middle class jobs are in SHORTER &... more
In China, where else? That is where American businesses — David F Mayer, Fri Feb 11 12:27pm

locate their factories these days. David F Mayer
Too bad we don't have a sattelite TV channel spreading the — sT, Fri Feb 11 1:56pm

benefits of labor unions & S.S. to the Chinese & other 3rdWorld poor.
It wouldn't matter. If they tried it, they would be shot. (nm) — David F Mayer, Sun Feb 13 6:43am

Your attitude — Roy, Fri Feb 11 12:21pm

Your attitude is a perfect example of why this country is going downhill FAST! Just think if throughout human history people sat around and pouted and whined constantly that there was no food or that ... more
NO; it is the attitude of U & FIXEDnews&CONS that has — sT, Fri Feb 11 1:25pm
NO; it is the attitude of U & FIXEDnews&CONS that has — sT, Fri Feb 11 1:23pm

IMMENSELY GREATENED the VERY REAL DESPARITY between the poor and the SUPER & ULTRA RICH. The MIDDLE CLASS has SIGNIFICANTLY SHRUNK over the past couple of decades thanks to the tax policies of RAYgun ... more
IMO it depends — sym, Fri Feb 11 9:43am

If you buy a quart of fried rice at a Chinese place you get a LOT of rice. Maybe not as much as if you made it yourself, but it includes vegetables and sometimes a little meat. For someone who isn't... more
Around here... — SES, Fri Feb 11 10:32am

...an entree at a Mexican restaurant costs anywhere from $8 to $12 -- let's say $9, for argument's sake. Add in a drink with free refills at $2, and you're talking $11 per person. $44 for a family of ... more
Oh, you thought food stamps were about feeding the poor? — PureStevil, Fri Feb 11 7:59am

Well, they probably said they were, but really it's just a forced expenditure from the middle class to guarantee some income for grocery stores and restaurants.
That's ANOTHER thing. — SES, Fri Feb 11 8:04am

Talking about expenditures at grocery stores.... ...there was an article in the local paper recently about neighborhoods in and around the city that have poor access to grocery stores. The article... more
I agree, much to your surprise; it should not be allowed. — sT, Thu Feb 10 6:10pm

Gov. aid should be reserved for those who need it & not wasted on restaurants.
This is an indication that government supported charities... — SES, Fri Feb 11 6:11am

...can be cut, along with every other government agency. Cut everything, across the board. Defense, Education, Welfare, Food Stamps, everything. The government wastes at LEAST 10% of every dollar it... more
I disagree with cutting Food Stamps. These days they should — sT, Fri Feb 11 10:05am

be made MORE avail. Wrong that people should have to sell off what little stock savings they have in bad times just to put food on the table. There goes their retirement along w/S.S. after the tCONS... more
This isn't about "cutting Food Stamps". — SES, Fri Feb 11 10:35am

It's about making sure that the people who GET Food Stamps actually NEED them. Whether anyone should be able to get them at ALL is a different topic.
If the family bread winner loses his job thanks to a BUSTED — sT, Fri Feb 11 11:28am

Economy, Food Stamps SHOULD BE READILY AVAILABLE, withOUT forcing life savings to be cashed in.
Now on THAT we disagree. — SES, Fri Feb 11 11:55am

If a family has, for example, $50,000 in the bank, they should NOT be getting Food Stamps. That would be ridiculous. Food Stamps are supposed to be for people who are in desperate need. People with... more
Unemployment won't pay the mortgage. Do U REALLY want to — sT, Fri Feb 11 2:43pm

kick kids out onto the streets or take away a life savings that some1 is hoping to add to their S.S. when they get too old to drag themselves to work every day?
other side of the issue... — donk, Fri Feb 11 4:49am

Government aid is what it is and I really can't begrudge those who must have it an occasional moment out of the pit. Why others do, is really beyond me. I'm forever reminded of that old adage, "Walk... more
Why are you trying to tell them how to eat? — greenman, Thu Feb 10 5:12pm

What kind of neo-fascist, big-government, nanny-state socialist ARE you? :)
No.... expecting them to use OUR money — Sprout, Thu Feb 10 5:27pm

in the most efficient manner feasible... If you personally were having to foot my grocery bill I would bet that you would not like it if I were opting to eat out all week, and enjoying steak all the... more
Ease up Sprout. Her used a Smiley Face. — SES, Fri Feb 11 6:02am

That means he was just kidding. ;-)
She's right, Sprout — greenman, Sat Feb 12 12:56pm

I did...:)
a couple of million... — donk, Fri Feb 11 4:51am

for a Hellfire to use to kill women and children? Sure is my idea of a good time.
And you assume that I support killing women and — Sprout, Fri Feb 11 5:23pm

children? Why?
Don't know, don't care.... — donk, Sat Feb 12 5:50am

but your whine is about wasting taxes on feeding people, but not on killing them. Why?
Here's the kicker — greenman, Thu Feb 10 5:42pm

For a supporter of individual rights, you sure do want the state to dictate to people, don't you? :)
Not at all... you forget what I actually propose from time — Sprout, Thu Feb 10 5:49pm

to time.... I don't propose giving anyone MONEY. If someone needs help, they are to be given it in the MOST efficient method possible. They are to live in barracks. Eat in communal dining facilities. ... more
Yikes — greenman, Fri Feb 11 5:26pm

Sorry, I'm with Donk on that one....that's beyond government interference and all the way to fascism. Odd how quickly Libertarianism can turn ugly...
Not at all.... the part you are ignoring time and time again — Sprout, Sun Feb 13 3:35pm

is that NOBODY is FORCED to be there... They can take part, or not. It is up to them as individuals... We just won't GIVE them money or support unless they are willing to WORK for them.
No, of COURSE not — greenman, Sun Feb 13 5:38pm

They could starve, or let their families starve, huh? Instead, they should be GRATEFUL for being allowed into Sprout's Libertarian Work Camp! Arbeit Macht Frei, bums! :(
Similar to the Reich's "solution..." — donk, Fri Feb 11 5:41am

Excellent!
Ah... knew the Nazi reference would show up... — Sprout, Fri Feb 11 5:20pm

The last bastion of those who have no argument... Right after spelling debates.
because you think like them.... — donk, Fri Feb 11 5:25pm

certainly no surprise. Now, does it bother you that you and they share social attitudes? Of course not. Of course, those who are too stupid to recognize argument are the first to decide others have... more
Not at all... — Sprout, Fri Feb 11 6:00pm

You just paint anything you disagree with the term Nazi because you lack the ability to debate it in any rational manner. "Camps" for them? Nowhere did I suggest locking them up. They would be... more
You mean similar to FDR. (nm) — SES, Fri Feb 11 12:08pm

Riiiiiiiiiiiight — greenman, Fri Feb 11 5:27pm

Cause one of our greatest Presidents, who led us through our biggest war, was just like the enemy. Jesus, partisanship gone completely bonkers. You guys are nuts.
Yep, they just make it up.... (nm) — donk - laughing, Fri Feb 11 5:31pm

Nazi Germany had a successful economy. — Ken C, Fri Feb 11 11:40am

They would have stayed a financial success if they didn't loose WWII. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_Germany#Economy
Incorrect.... they would likely have stayed a — Sprout, Fri Feb 11 5:21pm

financial success if they didn't START WWII... AND if they didn't engage in atrocities which would have been found out and acted on eventually.
suggest you study the events and world situation.... — donk, Fri Feb 11 5:34pm

which led up to WWII.
Of course they did, but.... — donk, Fri Feb 11 5:21pm

they did lose WWII and their "solution" for certain undesirables helped lead to that war. And, the poster's proposal is quite similar to the Reich's social "solutions."
Of course.... giving people choices is just the same — Sprout, Fri Feb 11 5:25pm

as herding them into camps and killing them.... Exactly the same....
No, it certainly is not... (nm) — donk - laughing, Fri Feb 11 5:30pm

Why wasn't that done — cc, Thu Feb 10 5:55pm

...with the bankers and insurance company executives who got all those bailout bonuses?
I disagreed with giving one cent to — Sprout, Thu Feb 10 5:58pm

GM, Chrysler, AIG, BOA, or any other of the businesses... Of course HAD any specific INDIVIDUALS in those businesses become poverty stricken as a result, they would be treated by my proposed program... more
Can't do that here in Oregon. — Poppet, Thu Feb 10 4:59pm

Can't use our equivalent (it's a card like a credit or debit card) to buy things like deli foods, smokes, or booze, either. Personally, I don't care if morons want to waste their stipend (I'm paying... more
Well Hell! — RthB, Thu Feb 10 4:45pm

Food stamps are just another form of Liberal government's fake money to appease the idiots living down in the dark, filthy sewers. RthB
what's it to you? (nm) — donk, Thu Feb 10 2:35pm

He is PAYING FOR IT. (nm) — David F Mayer, Thu Feb 10 4:39pm

we're all paying for it... — donk, Fri Feb 11 4:53am

I guess some are just more selfish than others....
But he's doing so regardless... — Poppet, Thu Feb 10 4:56pm

But he's doing so regardless of what the food stamps are spent on...and you only get a certain amount per month (I presume). If dumbasses want to run short before the end of the month, that's their... more
If you're so desparate for food that you have to... — SES, Fri Feb 11 7:11am

...accept charity from the taxpayers, you shouldn't be using that charity to buy steak and lobster, or champagne, or Fast Food, or eating dinner out at three times what it would cost to buy food at a ... more
I think that on an indivdiual scale you are certainly — Sprout, Thu Feb 10 5:05pm

correct... But when one calculates in the bigger picture of larger numbers of individuals wasting social support dollars, we start to get into real money... In addition, do you really think that when ... more
Fair enough. — Poppet, Thu Feb 10 5:32pm

If someone spend sup their food assistance, they are indeed going to be looking at some other form of charity, that's true. More often than not, this will be private charity, which has no effect on... more
True, likely the other sources will be private... — Sprout, Thu Feb 10 5:44pm

But it certainly would be nice if there was less demand for charity both public and private. And perhaps if he wasn't using those "extra" private resources, they could be used for someone else's... more
I do not think it is unreasonable to expect — Sprout, Thu Feb 10 4:11pm

those who are living on the kindness of others to utilize the moneys and resources they are GIVEN in the MOST efficient method feasible. It is not unreasonable to expect those who are a burden on... more
How expensive is the food? — Ken C, Thu Feb 10 12:26pm

One restaurant near here has a deli section where they sell food for people to take home and cook. Is Yoga class a good place to meet women?
If it's like the Mexican place that we go to... — SES, Thu Feb 10 12:44pm

...it costs $40 or $45 for a family of four to have dinner. That includes a 20% tip. You can feed a family of four with food from a grocery store for a third of that. I go to the Wednesday night... more
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