wonderingIt's a tough call...Thu Aug 4, 2011 12:07pm184.108.40.206
but, yes, I think policemen should be held to a higher standard, especially when they have it within their power to inflict far greater harm. Every case is different, but in some cases, the policemen do not have to exert that much force to restrain the suspect or perpetrator. They could simply put them in cuffs and ignore the foul language or whatever. Unfortunately, policement are human too and sometimes let that weapon or "authority" on their hip go to their head.
Speaking of baseball games, I recently went to a major league game where a guy sitting directly in front of me was obviously a bit inebriated and getting a little loud. It just so happened that we were sitting right down by the field where there were security guards that would go onto the field between innings and face the crowd to make sure no one tried to jump the fence or go out onto the field. The guards would sit on a little stool in the aisle when play resumed while waiting for changes or breaks in play. Well, I was sitting on an aisle seat three seats up from the playing field, and the guard was sitting on his little stool right next to the guy in front of me. Yes, he was a bit loud and obnoxious, but you had signs flashing up on the big screen to "Make Noise" to cheer on the home team. The security guard didn't much like the guy yelling right in his ear, so he tried to tell him to cool it down, which he did at least try to do, but couldn't seem to contain himself that well, especially when there are lots of others yelling and cheering in the stadium. I kind of felt sorry for both him and the security guard. I think the guard had a headache or something! At least the guard tried to talk to him in a reasonable tone of voice, but it wasn't working too well and was really kind of agitating the guy who just wanted to enjoy himself at the game.
- Are beatings by cops worse than other beatings? Ken C, Thu Aug 4 10:31amLast Monday I was reading about someone who got beat up by a baseball fan at a baseball game. The person was knocked unconscious and was in a coma for a long time. This upset me.... more
- Wehn you law enforcers break the law, it is serious ChristopherBlackwell, Fri Aug 5 6:28pmKen C, We grant the police enormous power we give to no one else in civilian s society, including the right to kill. Unfortunately not every policeman can handle that power responsibly. Corruption in ... more
- UPDATE: Here's the newest police-caused murder Truthteller, Fri Aug 5 2:43pmI actually got sick when I read this today. NOW they're picking on the weak and homeless??? What BIG men, huh? Ssssick. Yet more state-sanctioned MURDER by "law enforcement." Yet another murder that... more
- I understand that sick feeling, Ken C, Fri Aug 5 4:20pmThat's why I felt like talking about this with the people here.
- I agree B, Fri Aug 5 2:54pmDid you see the picture of the guy after the beating? No one deserves that. Watch these cops lie their ass off about what really happened like they usually do. These faggots need to hang.
- Yep they're and a cop should get twice the sentences because Ζεύς, Thu Aug 4 11:33pmthey’re the law. Where do you go if you can’t trust the law enforcers? We know from experiences that they stick together and it is hard to get a conviction against a cop or coppers.... more
- My son was beaten by policemen ConnieSue, Thu Aug 4 7:49pmAnd I have to live with that unsettled feeling that the police walk a fine line between defending themselves and protecting others who may be a threat to themselves as well as others. I wondered what ... more
- This might not make U feel ANY better: sT, Thu Aug 4 6:17pmhttp://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/44017066/ns/world_news-mideast_n_africa/ : "The U.S. government wasn't ready for the rest of the world to know about it, so they basically put him on ice," Kanovitz said... more
- Yes ... Mondo Fuego™, Thu Aug 4 12:33pm... many of them are just angry thugs who take their frustrations out on others. The "system" rarely deals with them in an appropriate manner ... they get put on "administrative leave" pending... more
- This case is also being investigated by the FBI. Ken C, Thu Aug 4 12:55pmIt looks like at least in this case they are doing more than just "administrative leave". Maybe that's because the victims father is a former Orange County sheriff's deputy, and there were witnesses... more
- They do even WORSE Truthteller, Thu Aug 4 1:18pmcheck THIS out. Every damn one of these so-called "law enforcement" personnel should be put away for a long, long time: http://www.thepeoplesvoice.org/cgi-bin/blogs/voices.php/2008/03/10/p23979 The... more
- Nice why not call the cops for help. Ζεύς, Thu Aug 4 11:52pmIt simply shows what a scum culture there is in law enforcement. Is she lucky to be alive? I think her life is from now on totally ruined mentally and physically. Ζεύς
- bushCO's AVOIDANCE of torture prosecution EMBOLDENED sT, Thu Aug 4 6:52pmoutrageous conduct by cops all across this nation. Of course it is true that many didN'T need much of a push. Add it to the LONG LIST of CHENEYbushCO negative affects to our nation EXCUSED by the... more
- Remember Rodney King and the Los Angeles riots? Ken C, Thu Aug 4 1:32pmThat was about 19 years ago, and Los Angeles seems to have a big riot about every 20 years. I wonder if another one is coming. 1943: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zoot_Suit_Riots 1965:... more
- It's a tough call... wondering, Thu Aug 4 12:07pm
- Hi wondering, thanks for the reply. (nm) Ken C, Thu Aug 4 1:35pm
- I think from a standpoint of ideals, a police officer Sprout, Thu Aug 4 11:01amis supposed to be, at least to a degree, a role model. IMO drunken fanatics (the basis of the word "fan") at a sporting event are, to a degree, EXPECTED to behave in anti-social ways, and are... more
- Agreed, Ken greenman, Sun Aug 7 3:13pmUnless the cop's being so extreme as to threaten your very life or the life of a family member, you cannot respond to them with violence. Try to get a badge number or at least car number, and if... more
- Even if the suspect was doing something wrong, Ken C, Thu Aug 4 1:25pmI don't see how that could justify beating him to death. The suspect had mental problems and did try to escape, so I realize he did some things wrong. He probably deserved to be arrested. There were... more
- Where did I say that it did justify anything? (nm) Sprout, Thu Aug 4 1:41pm
- Sorry, you didn't say the beating was justified. Ken C, Thu Aug 4 1:54pmSprout said: "The fact is that the plaintiffs actions DO have a bearing on the case. Whether we think they SHOULD or not. " My comments were mainly addressed to the courts that don't punish the cops. ... more
- A judgement against them is a rare thing Truthteller, Thu Aug 4 11:09amit's hard to find a judge who will actually sit a case against a police officer, ESPECIALLY a civil case. 9 times out of 10 the cop is acquitted and some just go right back on the job and do it again.
- And that is because 9 times out of 10 Sprout, Thu Aug 4 11:24amthe plaintiff did something STUPID in the process making the case FAR more difficult... For example... If someone is pulled over for DUI and attempts to kick the officers ass because he/she is... more
- Even in cases where... Truthteller, Thu Aug 4 11:43amthe suspect was beaten or killed by an officer, with the incident having been recorded and showing the officer clearly at fault, prosecution is extremely rare, with conviction even MORE rare. That's... more
- What I am trying to express is that I recognize that Sprout, Thu Aug 4 12:09pmthese are difficult cases. That the plaintiff must present a very clean case if he/she wants to win... Not JUST that the officer is wrong, but that the plaintiff was NOT wrong... Take the Rodney King ... more
- YES, absolutely Truthteller, Thu Aug 4 10:43amthey are supposed to be worthy of public trust, and when they turn from police officer to criminal, they need to be slapped down---HARD. Alas, the cronyism that exists within law enforcement makes it ... more
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