BKYou're being mighty absolute thereFri May 18, 2012 9:20am126.96.36.199I realize doing so might help your position, but I'm not arguing there is nobody who, for example, believes skin color is a choice. I'm arguing that it wouldn't be reasonable to believe so. Skin color is obvious at the point of birth - sexual preference is not. Therefore, one can determine by simple observation that skin color is not volitional. One cannot determine by simple observation whether sexual preference is volitional or not.
Furthermore, there are examples of people purportedly changing their sexual preference by an actual choice (without undergoing any sort of medical procedure, etc.) I know of no such example as it pertains to skin color.
So, I will submit skin color as my example (and appropriately so, given the context of this discussion). Whether you see it as unequivocal or not is irrelevant.
- There are no examples that I can think of in the realm of Quantafyre, Fri May 18 8:30ambiopsychological conditions that are so self-evident that absolutely no counter opinions exist as to their nature. Please, if you would, give an unequivocal example.
- You're being mighty absolute there BK, Fri May 18 9:20am
- Skin color is NOT a biopsychological condition.. Quantafyre, Fri May 18 9:35amBeing born with 6 fingers on one hand is also obvious of genetic determinism, but it too is not biopsychological. There is no psychological component to it.
- Agreed BK, Fri May 18 10:05amI misread what you were asking for. But now that I understand, I don't see the relevance to the discussion. The opening statement in this discussion makes an implicit analogy between sexual... more
- I'm not looking for anything. I'm saying that sexual Quantafyre, Fri May 18 10:20ampreference is not a 'choice.' I'm not saying that there is a 'gay gene;' I'm not saying that it is totally dependent on a polygenic complex within the CNS; I'm not saying that it is totally dependent ... more
- In the face BK, Fri May 18 10:37amof "what" - your opinion on the matter? Sorry if I don't find that convincing, especially when there is evidence to the contrary. Then again, I have no desire to debate this topic as it is a horse... more
- No desire to deal with what you don't approve of Christopher Blackwell , Fri May 18 7:37pmBK, Your reaction is created by your opinion. If it is something you don't approve of you don't want to hear about it. Sexis a complex subject, and many of the variations are common to a number of... more
- It is surely not dead. Research is continuing Quantafyre, Fri May 18 10:43amon the issue. Two sources underlying my opinion: http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/11/071107170741.htm http://wiringthebrain.blogspot.com/2010/05/sexual-orientation-in-genes.html
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