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greenman
Keep digging, man, keep digging!
Fri May 18, 2012 5:30pm
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YOu are aware that there exist flat-earthers who insist that the Earth isn't spherical despite the FACT that it is? Or Creationists who entirely disp;ute the FACT of evolution desp;ite all the evidence demonstrating it?

I could go on and on, but I suspect I'd be wasting my time. Point is, the fact that crackpots question an obvious fact doesn't mean there's a question about whether or not it's a fact.

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One of my black friends posted this — BOSS, Wed May 16 7:43pm

"African American religious activists protesting against gay rights is probably the sweetest piece of irony I will experience in my lifetime." says alot right there.
There was never any question — BK, Thu May 17 8:13am

that skin color isn't a choice. The same cannot be said about sexual orientation. BK
Quite false, of course — greenman, Thu May 17 4:53pm

THere's NO evidence that humans "choose" our sexual orientation, and plenty of evidence to the contrary. Sadly, this notion of "choice" is used against gay people as if even the "choice" of... more
You've proven my point — BK, Fri May 18 6:36am

Thank you. The fact that people feel the need to present "evidence" either for or against orientation as a choice demonstrates there IS a question, unlike skin color. So thank you for so providing... more
LOL — greenman, Fri May 18 5:28pm

Nice attempt at recovery, but it's not exactly convincing. I'm sure Poppet could 'name that fallacy,' but I'll just say that there's NO evidence that suggests we "choose" our sexual orientation, and... more
There is no fallacy — BK, Fri May 18 8:08pm

There's only you proving my point. Now, you can load up on all the rhetoric you can muster to try and get around that fact, but it's plain as day to anyone with eyes. BK
There's only you SAYING that, you mean — greenman, Sun May 20 6:49pm

OK, let's not call it a fallacy - let's call it "lying." We could add "pompous self-aggrandizement" to that, I suppose. Want "rhetoric?" F--- off.
PWND — BK, Mon May 21 8:37am

Love it ... argumentum ad cursing. Keep up the good work, greenman! LOL. BK
LOL — greenman, Mon May 21 7:00pm

It's not an 'argumentum' at all, you pretentious twat. It's just me cursing you. You're not as smart as you think you are, are you? Not that you COULD be...;)
You aren't very perceptive, are you? — BK, Tue May 22 6:55am

The issue is never the issue with you, it's always about trying to one-up someone you disagree with. *shrug* Have fun with that. BK
You're right about one thing — greenman, Wed May 23 5:30pm

The issue isn't with me. ;)
QED (nm) — BK, Fri May 25 7:34am

Absolutely absurd statement Brian. — Quantafyre, Fri May 18 7:58am

"The fact that people feel the need to present "evidence" either for or against orientation as a choice demonstrates there IS a question, unlike skin color." ANY question regarding an empirical... more
What are you smoking? — BK, Fri May 18 8:02am

I'm not questioning science here - I'm simply stating that if there were no question over whether sexual orientation is a choice (that is, if it was self-evident that it either IS or is NOT), then... more
Keep digging, man, keep digging! — greenman, Fri May 18 5:30pm
There are no examples that I can think of in the realm of — Quantafyre, Fri May 18 8:30am

biopsychological conditions that are so self-evident that absolutely no counter opinions exist as to their nature. Please, if you would, give an unequivocal example.
You're being mighty absolute there — BK, Fri May 18 9:20am

I realize doing so might help your position, but I'm not arguing there is nobody who, for example, believes skin color is a choice. I'm arguing that it wouldn't be reasonable to believe so. Skin... more
Skin color is NOT a biopsychological condition.. — Quantafyre, Fri May 18 9:35am

Being born with 6 fingers on one hand is also obvious of genetic determinism, but it too is not biopsychological. There is no psychological component to it.
Agreed — BK, Fri May 18 10:05am

I misread what you were asking for. But now that I understand, I don't see the relevance to the discussion. The opening statement in this discussion makes an implicit analogy between sexual... more
I'm not looking for anything. I'm saying that sexual — Quantafyre, Fri May 18 10:20am

preference is not a 'choice.' I'm not saying that there is a 'gay gene;' I'm not saying that it is totally dependent on a polygenic complex within the CNS; I'm not saying that it is totally dependent ... more
In the face — BK, Fri May 18 10:37am

of "what" - your opinion on the matter? Sorry if I don't find that convincing, especially when there is evidence to the contrary. Then again, I have no desire to debate this topic as it is a horse... more
No desire to deal with what you don't approve of — Christopher Blackwell , Fri May 18 7:37pm

BK, Your reaction is created by your opinion. If it is something you don't approve of you don't want to hear about it. Sexis a complex subject, and many of the variations are common to a number of... more
It is surely not dead. Research is continuing — Quantafyre, Fri May 18 10:43am

on the issue. Two sources underlying my opinion: http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/11/071107170741.htm http://wiringthebrain.blogspot.com/2010/05/sexual-orientation-in-genes.html
So how old were you when you decided to be hetero? (nm) — Quantafyre, Fri May 18 7:49am

I don't remember — BK, Fri May 18 7:55am

You? BK
I never had to. My genes did that for me. (nm) — Quantafyre, Fri May 18 7:59am

Oh, I see - a disingenuous question — BK, Fri May 18 8:02am

Got it. BK
Nothing disingenious about it. It was asked — Quantafyre, Fri May 18 8:35am

to prove a point; your opinion about sexual orientation being a choice was put to a test by assuming it was correct and the implications stemming there from. You dodged the question. I answered it in ... more
If you don't — BK, Fri May 18 9:12am

believe it is a choice for anyone, then asking me when I made the choice is a disingenuous question, no matter how you spin it. Furthermore, stating "I don't recall" isn't a dodge, it's the truth.... more
Re: If you don't — Quantafyre, Fri May 18 9:31am

"believe it is a choice for anyone, then asking me when I made the choice is a disingenuous question, no matter how you spin it." ***No it is not disingenuous. I merely took your position to its... more
You've invalidated nothing — BK, Fri May 18 10:11am

You are attempting to turn this into a debate as to whether sexual preference is a choice, and have foisted the burden of proof on me when I never even made the argument that it is. Furthermore, your ... more
Re: You've invalidated nothing — Quantafyre, Fri May 18 10:39am

"Furthermore, your argument that my opinion has been invalidated is an argument from silence. Not only does my inability to pinpoint the exact moment in time of my development that I chose to be... more
What I stated — BK, Fri May 18 11:06am

was that "the same cannot be said about sexual orientation". In other words, it cannot be that "there was never any question ..." about sexual orientation, because there have been and still are... more
True — PureStevil, Thu May 17 8:42am

Through error many have assumed that orientation was volitional.
Through error — BK, Thu May 17 9:48am

many have tried to drawn an analogy that doesn't exist. BK
But...but...but blacks don't HAVE to be black, right? — Glenn, Thu May 17 4:02am

I mean, MJ proved that skin color is just a choice, didn't he? >8^)
Zing! (nm) — PureStevil, Thu May 17 4:46am

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