KevinTHAT'S what you got out of my long reply?Fri Jun 15, 2012 8:47pm22.214.171.124A seed was planted as a child?
I am very disappointed. Reducing a person's curiosity to ask the big questions about the universe and who wants to study everything that can be studied -- science, religion, philosophy, psychology, sociology, literature, art, music, math, ethics, languages -- into some sort of response to brainwashing. Not taking into account that in all likelihood I would have studied and looked into religion at some point in my life no matter what my up-bringing because I LOVE to study and know everything I can about almost everything. And even if I was not exposed to it as a child, religion is in the world and I would have been curious about it and in all good likelihood I would have wanted to study it. Nor are you taking into account an experience I had at age 11 that caused me to question and wonder further...nor the insights and experiences that have prodded me on further even after intense doubt and skepticism.
Further, your assumptions about religion and God are still causing us to talk past each other, I think.
You seem to assume that God is some supernatural being. You assume that God manifests to people in some way that can be registered as an experience. You assume that scripture is to be read in a linear/literal method only. You assume that organized religion is what I and believers are the most interested in. You assume that non-religious people don't pursue these types of questions or have the same type of experiences . You assume that you even understand what I believe or what the traditions are pointing to. You assume that the expression and description of religion done by those evangelical or religious right persons you criticize is the ONLY way to be religious or that everyone is saying the same thing. And MOST importantly, you assume that just because we are talking about religion that there is supposed to be some type of human perfection in the whole thing -- and any abuses in the various religious tradition or inappropriate acts invalidates the whole thing. Fakers, false teachers and hypocrites in the tradition doesn't mean that ALL religion or ALL believers are fakers, false teachers or hypocrites.
Look. I don't mind that you disagree with me. I understand why people don't believe. After years of study and living my faith, I get why people don't look at the world the way I do. But when you say that "all religious people believe X" -- or when you assume that because I say I am a Christian that means I believe Y" and I don't believe X or Y, I just point it out to you. To inform you. To let you know that you are misinformed and that you are very much misunderstanding where I am coming from. That's all.
- As seen from your reply you too were exposed to organized Διός, Fri Jun 15 7:04pmAs seen from your reply you too were exposed to organized religion and then followed a path that was uncertain but you were still seeking. That too is a normal thing the seed is sown in the young.... more
- THAT'S what you got out of my long reply? Kevin, Fri Jun 15 8:47pm
- Wrong and don't push me, I been nice and like to stay that Διός, Fri Jun 15 10:04pmway. I asked for you beginning to religion and not your whole journey. And you know why I ask that and be honest you can't claim now that you might have been looking at a later stage but again that... more
- I am not trying to push you at all... Kevin, Sat Jun 16 7:58amI really am not. I am not trying to be mean or vindictive nor do I want "stardom". You think you are playing nice? Making comparisons with religion to "Nazis"? You think you are being "objective"... more
- When I was saying donít push me might sounded too harsh. Διός, Sat Jun 16 7:11pmI meant donít make me go in to all the nitty gritty stuff. I do have no time for that and I was taken aback by you criticism of my interpretation of you post on you beginning of you introduction to... more
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