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Michigan's Motorcycle Helmet law. — PureStevil, Mon Jun 25 8:32am

So about a month ago Michigan removed the requirement for wearing helmets while riding / operating a motorcycle. I like this, I think nanny-state laws should be done away with. I was assuming that... more
I would not ... — Mondo Fuego™ , Wed Jun 27 2:33pm

... think of taking my motorcycle out on the road without a helmet ... and Kevlar-lined padded riding gear. My biggest fear is texters rear-ending me while I am at a stop light.
80% ? Why are so many people so foolish? — Ken C, Tue Jun 26 12:44am

Bad news for whoever is paying all the medical bills.
One of my favorite Darwin Awards was for this. — David F Mayer, Mon Jun 25 7:17pm

http://www.darwinawards.com/darwin/darwin2011-03.html Motorcycle Helmet Law, ex-Protestor 2011 Darwin Award Nominee Confirmed True by Darwin (July 2011, New York) Protesting motorcycle helmet laws,... more
That's the problem, isn't it? — greenman, Mon Jun 25 5:16pm

It's always "nanny statism" until someone gets their freakin' head smashed in.
Good one. — Poppet, Mon Jun 25 5:34pm

But as my previous comment indicates, sometimes I'm okay with people getting their heads bashed in. Like when it's because they're idiots...and preferably before they've had a chance to pee in the... more
Understood — greenman, Mon Jun 25 6:32pm

They call me a bleeding heart, I suppose...:)
"I'm Charles Darwin... — Poppet, Mon Jun 25 1:32pm

...and I approve of this message."
If they would JUST die, I wouldn't care... — Glenn, Tue Jun 26 4:50am

...it's the ones who linger for months and years as an invalid, sucking up their society's resources without any hope of real recovery or chance to pay back what they owe. Maybe we need to pass a... more
Hmmm... — Poppet, Wed Jun 27 8:22am

I might support a law like that...if it were applied universally and fairly. So it woudl also have to say "eating grossly unhealthy, fattening crap from fast-food joints is a legal option, but if you ... more
Too many people can't think beyond the "now".... — Sprout, Wed Jun 27 10:09am

Bill needs a triple bypass NOW... therefore SOMEONE should help him NOW... the fact that Bill's life choices are the CAUSE of the problem aren't even considered by a lot of people... Bob needs six... more
No one is willing to make the hard decisions... — Sprout, Tue Jun 26 7:11am

There are several states that allow you to ride without a helmet IF you carry medical insurance. The problem is that the only penalty for wrecking out without a helmet AND without medical insurance... more
This nonsense has to STOP!!! — SES, Mon Jun 25 11:09am

How did all of this get started? I mean, was it with seatbelts or something? Like, "if you're in an accident and get hurt and need medical care and don't have insurance it costs US money, so WE have... more
Don't forget large soft drinks banned in New York. — David F Mayer, Mon Jun 25 7:56pm

The Nanny State http://media.reason.com/mc/mwelch/2011_08/NannyState_cartoon.jpg?h=280&w=350 David F Mayer
I'm SO glad I left. — SES, Mon Jun 25 9:20pm

New York City - banning Large soft drinks. New York State - decriminalizing small amounts of marijuana. Soda? No. Marijuana? Sure. Why my Mom and Dad still live there. I'll NEVER know.
I want large soda AND cannabis to be legal. — David F Mayer, Tue Jun 26 5:14am

If somebody wants to take cannabis, that is his choice. It is Nanny-Statism to prevent him from doing so. David F Mayer
Likewise. — Poppet, Wed Jun 27 8:25am

Neither should be within the State's purview.
What "nonsense?" — greenman, Mon Jun 25 5:17pm

Smarter people telling you to stop being so goddam stupid? :)
From an ETHICAL standard that is actually correct... — Sprout, Mon Jun 25 11:55am

If I personally am respnsible for paying for your stupidity, I have a right to a limit your stupidity. And the same applies if the responsible party is a collective as opposed to an indivdiual. What... more
I disagree. — SES, Mon Jun 25 12:51pm

In any society, you'll have people who will NOT take responsibility for themselves. So, for example, you have all the stories of people "using the Emergency Room" as their Health Care System. In a... more
Yes, you treat them and the rest of us have to pay... — Sprout, Mon Jun 25 1:39pm

That is a CHOICE we make... And unfortunate yet UNAVOIDABLE CONSEQUENSE of that choice is in passing on a degree of responsiblity to the greater society, we ALSO pass on a degree of AUTHORITY over... more
Let's say that (picking numbers out of the air)... — SES, Mon Jun 25 1:47pm

...5% of society choose not to take personal responsibility for themselves, so when they fall off of a motorcycle without a helmet, or get in an accident while not wearing a seatbelt, or eat too many ... more
I understand your feelings.... — Sprout, Tue Jun 26 5:49am

And I agree from an emotional standpoint that I don't LIKE the gov't making me wear a seatbelt or a helmet (even though I do both anyway) in the interest of protecting the few idiots... The problem... more
Do I understand you correctly? — Jeeves, Mon Jun 25 1:54pm

You are complaining that requlations require 95% of the population to do something which they are already doing ? And that requiring the 95% to do what they would do anyway is too great a price to... more
Exactly. — SES, Mon Jun 25 2:04pm

New York City is considering banning large cup sizes of soft drinks. What could they POSSIBLY justify that on? The "epidemic" of obesity and diabetes, and how that "epidemic" is costing "us" billions ... more
As with most things, extremes in either direction are bad — Jeeves, Mon Jun 25 11:27am

Certainly, too much regulation is bad. However, too little regulation leads to things like " Mrs. Winslow's Soothing Syrup " Mrs Winslow's soothing syrup was a medicinal product formula compounded by ... more
That example would be the same as cigarettes... — SES, Mon Jun 25 11:39am

...back when cigarettes were advertised as being GOOD for you. As with "Mrs Winslow's soothing syrup", people were being fooled into using a product that was potentially deadly. If everyone knows... more
I wear my lid... but I think that it should remain — Sprout, Mon Jun 25 8:38am

the choice of the rider. The only thing that DOES ethically justify helmet/seatbelt type laws is the fact htat society HAS chosen to hold the overall society RESPONSIBLE for the damages resulting... more
I concur. — Poppet, Mon Jun 25 1:35pm

I'd never even consider riding any of my two-wheeled conveyances without a helmet...but I don't need the freakin' Nanny State to tell me I have to.
YOU don't, no — greenman, Mon Jun 25 5:18pm
I remember taking a Junebug in the neck at — Sprout, Mon Jun 25 1:40pm

about 80mph.... and I would HATE to think what that would be like in the eye, even with glasses. Those little buggers are ARMORED.
Heh — greenman, Mon Jun 25 6:44pm

Mythbusters had a show about that the other night. Could you have a bug big enough to kill a motorcycle rider? You'll be glad to know that it'd take a Goliath beetle or something similar. They used a ... more
Yes, I saw that episode... I really enjoy Mythbusters... — Sprout, Tue Jun 26 5:46am

I think what gets riders killed isn't hte impact of the insect itself, but even a smaller bug to the face can cause an unprepared rider to wreck out. I've hit some of the nice big dragonflies that... more
They did mention that — greenman, Tue Jun 26 4:42pm

..and I agree, that's far and away the most likely way for insects to cause problems, fatal or not, for riders.
You should have a govenor.... — Gthestranger, Mon Jun 25 6:00pm

....on that thing so you can't go over a speed where you could be seriously hurt, say 35 mph. Wouldn't you agree? G
Riding 35mph is FAR more dangerous than — Sprout, Tue Jun 26 5:44am

a 70mph insect when you are on a freeway... Taking on the occaisional insect is simply part of riding a motorcycle... Don't get me started on "love bug season".
Nice dodge — Gthestranger, Tue Jun 26 9:04am

Thirty-five , twenty, ten mph, it doesn't matter, you know the point was that if you are going to require helmets because of some percieved moral duty, you could just as easily require motorcycles to ... more
Who suggested that I was going to require helmets as — Sprout, Tue Jun 26 9:09am

ANY sort of "moral duty". You need to go back, read, and try to grasp the CONCEPT being presented... That there is ONE way to remove the AUTHORITY that a society uses to enact such limitations. And... more
Another nice dodge. — Gthestranger, Tue Jun 26 9:30am

Getting wordier. So, would it be just as CORRECT for the government to require governors as it is for them to require helmets? AUTHORITY and RESPONSIBILITY and all that considered. G
What? words scare you.... — Sprout, Tue Jun 26 1:00pm

Yes, if the state is held RESPONSIBLE for damages caused by speeds, then YES, the state CAN exercise the AUTHORITY that comes with the responsilbity and limit speeds... And they DO IT EVERY DAY....... more
No, but ignorance does. — Gthestranger, Tue Jun 26 1:37pm

Speed limits are hardly the same as forcing governors to be installed on a motorcycles. And that is really the question you are evading, how far should government go with these things. You seem to... more
I recognize that you feel there is a significant difference. — Sprout, Tue Jun 26 2:05pm

But the METHOD by which an indivdiual or group chooses to EXERCISE their authority is up to them. No one else. There is NOTHING to prevent the gov't from enacting a regulation requiring auto... more
You are confused — Gthestranger, Tue Jun 26 3:41pm

How can you say: “There is NOTHING to prevent the gov't from enacting a regulation requiring auto manufacturers to put governors on their vehicles limiting them to specified maximum speeds.” And then ... more
Do you really need this kind of help? — Sprout, Wed Jun 27 7:40am

Under the CURRENT SYSTEM, where we ALREADY HAVE given society the AUTHORITY to curb speed, there is nothing preventing the society from utilizing governors for that purposes. Now, IF, IF, IF, we were ... more
I’m sure it all makes sense to you. — Gthestranger, Wed Jun 27 12:46pm

All I’m getting is that you are stupid and I have the responsibility to tell you so because I have that authority having been exposed to it. Is that about right?
That's OK.... If concepts such as responsiblity and — Sprout, Wed Jun 27 1:59pm

and authority, and the irrevokable link between those two concpets is above you, that is OK... It is a concept and a topic a that is normally addressed in books that don't contain pictures, so it's... more
Pictures? — Gthestranger, Wed Jun 27 2:27pm

Really? I hope when I grow up I'm never SMART like you are.
Ouch! — Poppet, Mon Jun 25 2:48pm

Something like that might come close to cleaning me right off the back of the bike as it is! I'm a wee little thing...
We have the medical provision too. — PureStevil, Mon Jun 25 8:46am

But it's only for something like $20,000 of coverage which I think is a bit low. And I think we should add automatic organ donation to the law. I agree with you that it should be the riders choice to ... more
I don't know about automatic organ donation... — Sprout, Mon Jun 25 9:12am

While I am an organ donor, and on the bone marrow registry, and even give blood from time to time, I am VERY leery of making it a requirement for any reason. IMO it is a bit of a 'slippery slope'... more
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