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I've watched ALL of the debates...
Wed Jun 27, 2012 1:05pm
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...between Sam Harris, Christopher Hitchens, and the theologists.

I like how the Theologists NEVER prove that god exists, but demand that the Atheists prove that god DOESN'T exist, when that isn't even what Atheism means.

You're out of your league here, my new R&E friend.

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Putting the fear of God into Atheists — scott, Tue Jun 26 7:59pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4lIEhLwONgw&feature=related
Scot why? — Christipher Blackwell, Wed Jun 27 6:46pm

scott, Human experience shows us that fear always leads to hatred, therefore if you fear God you eventually come to hate that god. It does not require fear to make one a good person, so why encourage ... more
in actuality I think you and I agree .. — scott, Wed Jun 27 9:55pm

more than you think I do .. I do not think fear is a tool used by God, nor me, to make one a good person .. in truth .. to me . .the fear of the Lord is the beginning of understanding His awesomeness ... more
Moresense than some of the answers I have seen, — ChristopherBlackwell, Thu Jun 28 6:53pm

Scott, Some ideas are easier to explain with people of same or similar beliefs. It is a case of sometimes talking past each other when we don't have enough concepts in common to really have a good... more
and thats what Kevin was saying .. — scott, Thu Jun 28 8:49pm

it has merit .. I'd like to bridge that somehow .. find the common ground and work from there ...I'm all for good conversation. :)
Scot, Difficult with such diverse points of view — ChristopherBlackwell, Fri Jun 29 6:46pm

scott, Now I might be considered odd, often was in the past. But so many of the basic ideas in Christianity, Islam and Judaism make no sense to me. So it is hard to find that common ground. I was... more
well. .actually I was going to switch it up a bit .. — scott, Sat Jun 30 12:59am

Love a good conversation really .. it seems everyone always has to carve out their territory first for whatever reason .. then finally we can talk .. I hope I'm getting this right .. you are saying... more
We should fear a loving God — Moishe, Wed Jun 27 11:17am

because...?
would you be willing to enter into a study? — scott, Wed Jun 27 12:23pm

there is a because .. but I'd need to find your willingness to explore it rather than suit some desire to flame me for my beliefs... scott
No, but thanks anyway — Moishe, Wed Jun 27 1:53pm

I'm occupied with Jerry Coyne's study of the morality found within the Bible. Deuteronomy 18 "18If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice... more
no prob .. I like Job personally — scott, Wed Jun 27 10:02pm

but I don't equate loving with morality .. just the transformation of one's mind on the spiritual matter that undergirds ones actions from love .. not the other way around. To use Deuteronomy as a... more
Wow, those are some lists, eh? — Truthteller, Wed Jun 27 2:42pm

the toilet paper one is hilarious! But he makes a great point in that both Jews and Christians pick and choose which parts of their holy books they want to follow. Just like a salad bar.
Of course they ignore God's laws — Jeeves, Wed Jun 27 3:13pm

" both Jews and Christians pick and choose which parts of their holy books they want to follow. " In civilized countries, followers of Bronze Age religions who do not ignore most of their religious... more
Disappointing. — Gateway, Wed Jun 27 9:26am

Couldn't you get a picture that shows a lake of fire and either bodies or souls attempting to escape. Something, anything that we could hang a couple of scriptures to. I think that might get a blip... more
isn't there enuff of that already in your mind? — scott, Wed Jun 27 12:24pm

Do you even know what the fear of God preduces?
I suspect that it preduces — Moishe, Wed Jun 27 3:16pm

the presuppositional argument for his existence. ;-)
NO! (nm) — Gateway, Wed Jun 27 2:25pm

Preduces? — Truthteller, Wed Jun 27 1:33pm

?? can you clarify?
lol . .typo .. produces .. — scott, Wed Jun 27 9:31pm

the fear of the Lord .. What it isn't: Some would say it is an unhealthy arrangement causing those who believe, or otherwise, to walk, talk, and act as if they are always being watched and waiting... more
Pretty dull — Truthteller, Wed Jun 27 9:04am

and I didn't hear anything to support the "fear of god" allegation.
yeah .. it wasn't al that great ..admittedly so .. — scott, Wed Jun 27 12:27pm

but I am not talking about some "fear" or some turn or burn situation .. the fear I am seeking to have a conversation about actually has other merit to it despite its obvious connotation of fire and... more
Fearing a deity... — Truthteller, Wed Jun 27 1:31pm

is not a new concept by far as there have been many deities throughout recorded history that certainly inspired their share of fear. In Neopaganism, fear of our gods is simply not an issue. RESPECT,... more
What does fear of God mean? — Ken C, Wed Jun 27 12:40pm

I used to be religious and used to go to church a long time ago. The church mainly talked about heaven, God, and other good stuff. I don't remember anything about hell, the devil, or fear of God. Is... more
sort of Ken .. — scott, Sat Jun 30 3:30am

a healthy dose of love perhaps .. I'll e posting a therad on the fear of God after the holiday .. got too many irons n the fire and want to do a good job of explaining what I think it means and does... more
He loves you, but you must fear him? — SES, Wed Jun 27 1:29pm

"Religion has actually convinced people that there's an invisible man living in the sky who watches everything you do, every minute of every day. And the invisible man has a special list of ten... more
hmm ... SES .. I am more interested in — scott, Wed Jun 27 10:19pm

conversations with those willing to have them on their own terms .. not on the terms of others .. what is your experience and your conclusion? .. not your agreement with the contentions made by... more
Since you're apparently new here... — SES, Thu Jun 28 7:33am

...I'm an Atheist, and I've been an Atheist since I was maybe...12? I'll relate again a specific incident in my personal life. In Middle School (we called it Junior High School in upstate New York)... more
if a single incident caused you you to disbelieve .. — scott, Sat Jun 30 3:34am

I'm not certain there would be an incident that would cause you to reconsider .. but just like ti takes way more muscle to make a smile and hardly any to make a frown .. I hope you will at least find ... more
Only utter nonesense.... — Kevin, Thu Jun 28 7:37am

when one tries to read a CREATION MYTH as something other than that. The students in the class misunderstood the Indian myth and were reading it like a factual report and then you did the same thing... more
My understanding... — Truthteller, Thu Jun 28 8:45am

of the Christian creation myth is that the vast majority of Christians DO take the creation story as factual. Are you trying to say that isn't so?
I realize that as Science progresses... — SES, Thu Jun 28 8:05am

...more and more of the bible becomes non-factual and non-literal and non-historical. There was a time when every story in the bible was interpret as being literal. Yes, god DID create everything... more
Wait a minute! — Kevin, Thu Jun 28 8:55am

You think that originally the bible was only taken VERY LITERALLY and it is only recently we didn't? It is the opposite actually. As early as the 2nd century Origen -- the main teacher of... more
So what you mean is that... — SES, Thu Jun 28 9:04am

...the people TODAY who think that the stories in the Bible ARE literally true (leading, for example, to constant attempts to find the Ark) -- are you saying that those people TODAY are more ignorant ... more
Well... — Kevin, Thu Jun 28 10:08am

it is not as easy as saying that ancient people didn't believe the bible as historical fact because they don't know what we know. Some of the interpretations of the literal we just have let go of now ... more
Have fun at the beach. — SES, Thu Jun 28 10:14am

I have nothing empirical to back this up, but I would wager that 99% of Jews "back in the day" read most of the stories in the Old Testmaent (Creation, Adam and Eve, the Great Flood/Ark, Soddom and... more
A lot of people have died... — Truthteller, Thu Jun 28 11:57am

for daring to say that some of the things in the bible are NOT literal, such as transubstantiation. Most of the evangelicals that I have encountered (including many right here) have said that they... more
Kevin is apparently an expert. — SES, Thu Jun 28 12:33pm

If he says that a majority of early Jews and Christians realized that most of the stories in their holy books were not to be take literally, then who and I to argue with him? lol OK, I'll argue with... more
From the beach ont phone... — Kevin, Thu Jun 28 1:31pm

So I can't make this long but we are talking about three different things here now. 1) what the thinkers and theologians taught and wrote about to explain the faith. They are the experts that laid... more
Have another Blue Moon, on me. lol — SES, Thu Jun 28 2:19pm

This conversation started with my saying that the Christian and Jewish belief in their Creation Myth as literal truth was nonsense. In my opinion MANY Christians and Jews, even today, take the... more
That was truly AWESOME!!! — SES, Wed Jun 27 6:40am

A sliced-and-diced "Best of" selection. [ yawn ]
perhaps you were thirsty for something more .. — scott, Wed Jun 27 12:29pm

stay thirsty my friend .. your boredom serves only to your own dismay .. not mine.
I've watched ALL of the debates... — SES, Wed Jun 27 1:05pm
not out of my league . . not yet your friend .. — scott, Wed Jun 27 10:32pm

and not one given to posting to someone who already has a higher opinion than mine based on their own assumptions of what I do or do not believe. If I am not worthy of your opinions feel free to keep ... more
When you come in here and post trash... — SES, Thu Jun 28 6:00am

...like a slice-and-diced video of a religious hack who Atheist debaters are supposedly terrified of debating, you'll get called on it. Selectively edited videos that present a distorted vision of... more
you need to correct yourself .. — scott, Sat Jun 30 1:02am

they aren't welcome here to YOU .. and thats ok .. feel free to avoid any or all of my posts .. your derision is of no concern to me .. if you can't get past your own bias and objection I won't be... more
Psttt.... — Anonymous, Wed Jun 27 4:03pm

*whispers* "...it's theologians....not theologists...." FWIW
Ken .. — scott, Wed Jun 27 10:34pm

perhaps I am making a mistake .. fwiw .. I thot I'd find a better welcome here, this being a board supposedly that delves in religion .. is this what I can expect?
Above is me (nm) — Kevin, Wed Jun 27 4:04pm

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