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Sprout

Certainly hard evidence usually comes out

Tue Aug 7, 2012 1:56pm

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during a police investigation and a trial...

But it is doubtful that those NOT actually physically involved in the crime (ie. the criminal and the victim) ACTUALLY had any hard evidence. That they had was hearsay. It is doubtful that there were many direct witnesses to the crimes.

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• Why do the Boy Scouts not report pedophiles to police? — Christopher Blackwell , Mon Aug 6 11:16am
  Their record seems almost as bad as the Catholic Church when it comes to reporting pedophiles to the police.Ironically this is a very old problem going back to the earliest days of the Boy Scouts.... more
• • They too think that they're above the law and their image — Διός, Wed Aug 8 4:41pm
    is far more important to them than the well being of the children. It doesn't worry them that the offending paedophiles can move on and just like the preacher that were protected by their fellow... more
  • I think ... — Mondo Fuego™ , Mon Aug 6 10:07pm
    ... the Boy Scouts is a haven for queers and pedophiles, which are one and the same ... pedophiles are just the criminal subset of queers.
  • • False statement — Christopher Blackwell , Wed Aug 8 8:06pm
      Mondo Fuego™ There are no statistics to prove that most gay people are pedophile, and more than that most straight men are pedophiles. I see you are back to name calling again. This does seem to be a ... more
    • What about girl scouts? — Ken C, Mon Aug 6 11:11pm
      Only the pedophiles who prefer boys will go to the boy scouts. The pedophiles who are attracted to girls will probably go to the girl scouts.
    • • Probably so ... — Mondo Fuego™ , Tue Aug 7 11:48am
        ... I was never a Girl Scout, so I don't know, but my Scoutmaster tried to queer me on an overnight camping trip, and I quit Boy Scouts as a result.
      • • In California testimony from some of the Eagle scouts — Clawson, Tue Aug 7 1:18pm
          ...indicated they thought they could "handle it". Some of those boys grew up to hold important positions. I looked at the case file in the county records. The scoutmaster had a collection of... more
        • • Epilogue ... — Mondo Fuego™ , Tue Aug 7 8:27pm
            ... she killed him? Irony ... the part-time housekeeper was a guy. LOL
          • • No, they all died of natural causes — Clawson, Tue Aug 7 10:08pm
              The preacher's son was editor of the local newspaper that his father owned. He and his wife had no children. After their lurid testimony divorce, neither one married again. The housekeeper was a gal, ... more
  • Maybe they didn't want their organization to look bad. — Ken C, Mon Aug 6 6:24pm
    Maybe the boy scouts were more concerned with protecting their image. Maybe they thought the blacklist would be good enough to prevent repeated sexual abusers. At least they tried to expel the... more
  • • It sounds like they cleaned up their act decades ago — Jeeves, Tue Aug 7 3:41am
      The report is on " files dating from 1970 to 1991 ". The statement from the Scouts says " We have al­ways co­oper­ated fully with any re­quest from law en­force­ment and today re­quire our mem­bers... more
  • So.... do you suggest that if the police don't convict — Sprout, Mon Aug 6 11:30am
    the scouts should simply allow the indivuidals back into the organization? IMO it isn't unreasonable at all for a private organization to expell and ban individuals that they don't trust EVEN IF... more
  • • You didn't read the article did you? — Christopher Blackwell , Mon Aug 6 5:24pm
      Spout, We are required by law to report suspect cases of pedophile activity yet in each and every case mentioned the Boy Scouts did not report one case of known and in hundreds of cases allow... more
    • • There is a difference between facts and rumors... — Sprout, Tue Aug 7 5:25am
        Knowledge and allegations.
    • Amazing question — greenman, Mon Aug 6 4:55pm
      You didn't really read that one, did you? The parallels with the Catholic Church are remarkable, and in fact they WERE letting pedophiles off - just not back into their organization. They were... more
    • • The difference between facts and allegations... (nm) — Sprout, Tue Aug 7 5:25am
      • • The difference between understanding — greenman, Wed Aug 8 4:57pm
          ..and LACK of understanding.
    • He's citing the incidents in which the BSA did NOT report to — PureStevil, Mon Aug 6 1:28pm
      police. "Scouting officials first investigated Field in 1971, when a Santa Monica Scout said the leader had sexually abused him. But no one called police. Instead, a regional Scout leader followed... more
    • • So, you think that because there wasn't sufficient PROOF — Sprout, Mon Aug 6 1:31pm
        that they should simply continue to allow individuals they SUSPECT of pedophilia to remain working with boys? Or instead boot them out and not allow the access ot the children?
      • • Do have any clue what you're talking about? — PureStevil, Tue Aug 7 5:05am
          It appears your reading comprehension is off. Try actually reading what I wrote before you respond. That will help you from looking like the fool you do now.
        • Tehy did not report known cases of pedophil — Christopher Blackwell , Mon Aug 6 5:28pm
          Sprout, Instead they protected the IDs of even known pedophiles from the police, rather than report them, just like the Catholic Church. Why re you supporting keeping such information from the... more
        • • False. They did not report ALLEGATIONS of — Sprout, Tue Aug 7 5:23am
            pedophilia.... there is a difference.
          • • Lets see — Christopher Blackwell , Wed Aug 8 8:16pm
              Sprout, They are requires to report even suspicions of it, just like any other form of child abuse. Think a minute, there suspicions are strong enough that they toss some of these men out,yet they do ... more
            • • So.... if you don't have enough suspicion to report someone — Sprout, Thu Aug 9 7:03am
                to the police you just assume that htye are fine to baybsit your kids? Or aren't their folks you do NOT have sufficient grounds to report them for suspicion of CRIMINAL activity, that you just don't... more
        • Your reply indicates you did not READ the article — Clawson, Mon Aug 6 3:02pm
          The article was about FAILURE to report to police.
        • • All a matter of perspective... — Sprout, Tue Aug 7 6:37am
            Certainly if one wants to view things in the worst possible light, one can PRESUME that they somehow knew about criminal acts and chose not to report... Another aspect is that they may have had... more
          • • You are reaching. Hard evidence was not "hearsay". — Clawson, Tue Aug 7 1:22pm
              Some few scoutmasters actually did end up in prison, usually after several years of unreported activity.
            • • Certainly hard evidence usually comes out — Sprout, Tue Aug 7 1:56pm
              • • So a dozen boys get their heads together and decide to lie — Clawson, Tue Aug 7 2:03pm
                  ...about what supposedly happened to them that night in the tent when they had no witnesses? "Where there is smoke, there is fire." All boy scouts know that, and so should parents.
                • • Hindsight is 20/20.... (nm) — Sprout, Wed Aug 8 5:46am
                  • • The evidence is always there — Clawson, Wed Aug 8 3:43pm
                      People don't choose to believe the victims because turning over the rocks to reveal the worms would undermine FAITH in the existing social structure.
                    • • In hindsight yes... — Sprout, Thu Aug 9 7:48am
                        But at the the point that an indivdual is deciding whether or not to involve the police the indivdual DOES NOT have all of the evidence... So, the individual must decide based on INCOMPLETE evidence... more

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