Mondo Fuego™Proof that abortion is murderWed Aug 8, 2012 3:14pm108.67.72.29This is what we all looked like at 12 weeks in the womb. Legal to kill in all 50 states. Anyone think its not a person? Pass this along. It literally might save a life.
And WHAT do you propose as an alternative. David F Mayer, Sun Aug 12 8:34amDraconian anti-abortion laws that simply WILL NOT WORK? Gangs of unwanted children roaming the streets with weapons as in Brazil? There are not 10% of the desired adoptive families to take in all of... more
Errr ... Mondo Fuego™ , Sun Aug 12 10:33am... mandatory sterilization for repeat offenders. Anybody got a problem with that?
Not me. Mandatory sterilization for David F Mayer, Sun Aug 12 10:36amanybody on Public Assistance who bears or sires a baby. Remember, each and every baby has a FATHER, not just a mother. With DNA testing, we can go after the unwed fathers as well as the unwed... more
Odd greenman, Tue Aug 14 3:03pm..that you'd hear a Jew calling for mandatory sterilization and fascist controls over the lives of the poor, minorities, etc. Kinda...Hitlerian, really. on a sensationalizing mode again? Sym, Thu Aug 9 9:02amMondo really? 1. outside the womb this fetus would not survive without spending hundreds of thousands of dollars in care (if even that would make a difference due to lack of development). 2. I would... more
Attacks on abortion rights are largely emotional greenman, Fri Aug 10 5:38pmNot a lot of thought going on there, really. Christian (or pseudo-Christian) Taliban. Your right on all points. Gateway, Thu Aug 9 9:02pmThe really big item you left out is his party's campaign promise to reduce medicare and medicaid benefits. Can you imagine how the reduction in benefits will hit the low income groups. Re # 4 ... Anonymous, Thu Aug 9 12:11pm... you should rally behind the mass murderers like Tucson, Aurora, Virginia Tech, etc. ... they are reducing the population. And, celebrate all the murders in Chicago ... 1,000 fewer thugs on the... more
wow sym, Fri Aug 10 4:27amjust ... wow such great reply (NOT) straw man much? Can it survive on its own... SES, Thu Aug 9 6:57am...without extreme medical care? Then it isn't an individual. It's still dependent on the mother for survival. At some point a fetus becomes "viable", meaning that if it's born it can survive on it's ... more
Can ... Mondo Fuego™ , Sat Aug 11 9:01am... you survive on your own? For how long? It used to be 6 months ... OldCM, Thu Aug 9 8:45am... after which a fetus was considered viable. I have no idea what the current cross-over time is.
That seems kinda early. SES, Thu Aug 9 10:56amWouldn't a 3-month premature fetus require EXTENSIVE medical assistance to remain alive?
Back in the 1960s ... OldCM, Thu Aug 9 1:44pm... a premature baby would require an incubator and a little oxygen, but not EXTENSIVE medical assistance. They usually lived even way back then. One of the reasons I have always hated the idea of... more
An incubator and oxygen counts as... SES, Fri Aug 10 6:09am..."extensive medical treatment" to me. There is ... Mondo Fuego™ , Thu Aug 9 8:18am... no question. It's human life at the moment of conception. Anything else is just an academic rationalization.
In your opinion Christopher Blackwell , Thu Aug 9 8:03pmMondo Fuego™, It was not even thought that way by the various Christian churches as late as the late 19th Century. The idea that human life begins at conceptions is a very modern idea that has only... more
many religions sym, Fri Aug 10 4:30amdidn't believe a child had a soul until it lived for a X amount of time Obviously there IS a "question", or you... SES, Thu Aug 9 8:26am...wouldn't have started this thread.
My post ... Mondo Fuego™ , Thu Aug 9 11:54am... neither implied nor involved a question ... it was an absolute statement. Now you know.
Of your personal opinion. Christopher Blackwell , Thu Aug 9 8:06pmMondo Fuego™, Opinions are like noses, everybody has one. That is a little less vulgar than the original statement. [Grin]
The original statement greenman, Fri Aug 10 5:53pm...applies much better to this PARTICULAR case. :) Don't use a question mark if you're not... SES, Thu Aug 9 11:58am...asking a question: "Anyone think its not a person?"
OK! Mondo Fuego™ , Thu Aug 9 12:12pm "God" is the planets Number 1 abortionist. PureStevil, Thu Aug 9 6:37amAnd "God is Good" they say, so abortion must be good. So that's why we're getting fat. Just another sociopath., Wed Aug 8 10:37pmToo many of us eating a couple of scrambled chickens for breakfast. Who's the guilty party in a stillborn? Timothy, Wed Aug 8 10:27pmThe mother? The doctor? God? Nice to know we have a judge on the forum. When women were dying getting illegal abortions, who was convicted of murder? Seriously? That's Your Criteria? Amadeus, Wed Aug 8 9:37pmIt looks like a person, so it is a person? Here's Jimi Hendrix. He's a person, right? He looks like a person. I prefer a more logical approach. If the developing fetus does not yet have the nervous... more
It is impossible ... Mondo Fuego™ , Thu Aug 9 8:15am... for you to reason properly ... you have been brainwashed with fallacy so long that you cannot think for yourself. One need only look at the picture of the 12 week-old baby to determine that is is ... more
Making assumption to justify your beliefs (nm) Christopher Blackwell , Fri Aug 10 6:29pm Personhood is a it more complex Christopher Blackwell , Wed Aug 8 7:12pmMondo Fuego™ So you say once you have the body that looks like a person then you are a person. This tells usnothing about when someone becomes a person,that is a thinking creature. So it proves... more
Sociopaths ... Mondo Fuego™ , Wed Aug 8 7:31pm... like you have no conscience.
Are you responsible for any abortions? Christopher Blackwell , Fri Aug 10 6:33pmMondo Fuego™, Just curious as you get so emotional and I wonder if you are projecting your own guilt ontot herest of us. Reduced to name calling Christopher Blackwell , Wed Aug 8 7:43pmMondo Fuego™, I think many of us have noticed that you do this when people disagree with you. Saves you from having to think or use logic though. Meanwhile enjoy your name calling, since you seem to... more
"Reduced?" greenman, Fri Aug 10 5:39pmThe first refuge of the (mentally) incomptent... Meanwhile ... Mondo Fuego™ , Wed Aug 8 8:56pm... you are a sociopath who has no conscience about killing little defenseless babies. Pfft PS ... I am far more educated than you. And, besides, Obama... did not start my business. LOL@U
You are beginning to babble again Christopher Blackwell , Thu Aug 9 7:39pmMondo Fuego™, Your educational level really has little to do with how good your value judgements are, especially when you emotions are involved. Logic is easy to over come with emotions, that is why... more
Must be nice greenman, Tue Aug 14 3:04pm...to be a protected poster. They can break the TOS all the time and continue to get away with it...while hiding behind a DNR. Manly? Hardly...:) Question. Pud, Wed Aug 8 11:21pmWould you be willing to generously and endlessly redistribute the bulk of your personal wealth for the benefit of countless 12-week-old fetuses for whom, without such intervention, birth would mean a ... more
I preder the alternative ... Mondo Fuego™ , Thu Aug 9 8:09am... sterilize the irresponsible parents. Now you know.
I have nothing against sterilizatin Christopher Blackwell , Fri Aug 10 6:35pmMondo Fuego™, Ironic to find something that we might actually agree on. Actually, I already knew Pud, Thu Aug 9 10:55ambetter than to expect a straight answer to the question from you. Just giving you the opportunity to prove it (thanks for playing). Now you know.
Last time I checked ... Mondo Fuego™ , Thu Aug 9 12:14pm... I don't "owe" you anything. On the other hand, I gave you a straight answer ... sterilize repeat offenders. Now you know.
That's just fine, fella! Pud, Fri Aug 10 10:39amNo prohibition against dodging a question on this board. (BTW, I already knew that, too. Now you know.) Birth control pills could save a life too. Ken C, Wed Aug 8 3:31pmIf fewer women had unplanned pregnancies, there would be fewer abortions. More info on the little baby at 12 weeks in the womb: http://www.baby2see.com/development/week12.html
But what fun would THAT be? greenman, Wed Aug 8 4:52pmRight-wing extremists find it harder to get people all emotionally upset over contraception, although they're trying REAL HARD, and hack politicians like Romney are encouraging them. A 'baby' is... more Well what is wrong by sending all those unwanted babies to Διός, Wed Aug 8 4:16pmWell what is wrong by sending all those unwanted babies to an complainants address providing the fools look after them their selves, no cheating. That will stop most abortions I would say, after all... more Definitely! Truthteller, Wed Aug 8 4:13pmbut why then are not only the Catholics but the Protestant fundies howling about it being provided to women free of charge via their health insurance? Surely it will dramatically decrease the number... moreReligion and Ethics BBS