JeevesThings are going to get interesting in MissouriFri Aug 10, 2012 11:00am22.214.171.124Missouri voters approved an amendment to their state constitution which was marketed as a "right to pray" provision. Click here to read the whole thing.
The relevant text is:
That all men and women have a natural and indefeasible right to worship Almighty God according to the dictates of their own consciences; that no human authority can control or interfere with the rights of conscience; that no person shall, on account of his or her religious persuasion or belief, be rendered ineligible to any public office or trust or profit in this state, be disqualified from testifying or serving as a juror, or be molested in his or her person or estate; that to secure a citizenís right to acknowledge Almighty God according to the dictates of his or her own conscience, neither the state nor any of its political subdivisions shall establish any official religion, nor shall a citizenís right to pray or express his or her religious beliefs be infringed; that the state shall not coerce any person to participate in any prayer or other religious activity, but shall ensure that any person shall have the right to pray individually or corporately in a private or public setting so long as such prayer does not result in disturbance of the peace or disruption of a public meeting or assembly; that citizens as well as elected officials and employees of the state of Missouri and its political subdivisions shall have the right to pray on government premises and public property so long as such prayers abide within the same parameters placed upon any other free speech under similar circumstances; that the General Assembly and the governing bodies of political subdivisions may extend to ministers, clergypersons, and other individuals the privilege to offer invocations or other prayers at meetings or sessions of the General Assembly or governing bodies; that students may express their beliefs about religion in written and oral assignments free from discrimination based on the religious content of their work; that no student shall be compelled to perform or participate in academic assignments or educational presentations that violate his or her religious beliefs;
[Jeeves: Obviously, no students will need to attend science classes in Missouri from this day foreward. Nor will they be forced to learn set theory in math class. They will be free to skip history classes which claim that the Founding Fathers were not fundamentalist Christians. Actually, there aren't many classes which they will be required to take at all.]
that the state shall ensure public school students their right to free exercise of religious expression without interference, as long as such prayer or other expression is private and voluntary, whether individually or corporately, and in a manner that is not disruptive and as long as such prayers or expressions abide within the same parameters placed upon any other free speech under similar circumstances; and, to emphasize the right to free exercise of religious expression, that all free public schools receiving state appropriations shall display, in a conspicuous and legible manner, the text of the Bill of Rights of the Constitution of the United States; but this section shall not be construed to expand the rights of prisoners in state or local custody beyond those afforded by the laws of the United States, excuse acts of licentiousness, nor to justify practices inconsistent with the good order, peace or safety of the state, or with the rights of others.
- Wow, and I thought KANSAS was bad greenman, Fri Aug 10 5:27pmSure, they don't have to participate - they can take an 'F' in the course. That's the only 'exception' I'd accept, or tolerate. Most of this is just restating Constitutional rights, and of course... more
- What county... Clawson, Sat Aug 11 7:02am...in Kansas are you from? LSD is a fungus that grows on the rye plant. When it is dry and the dust blows, that LSD accumulates in home cisterns because there isn't enough water to wash off the roofs ... more
- I'm not greenman, Sat Aug 11 1:11pmI'm from Ohio. We have plenty of nuts of our own, but not as many as Kansas, from what I hear in the news. :)
- I had family in Ohio Clawson, Sun Aug 12 5:19pmMy mother's uncle and cousin. Veterinarians. Very rich. Leipsic, Ohio. Millions of dollars to charity and to corrupt lawyer. Relatives got nothing.
- They are playing to the myth of "The Persecuted Christian" Jeeves, Fri Aug 10 8:55pmSomehow they want to believe that they are still in danger of the lions in the Colosseum.
- Re: They are playing to the myth of "The Persecuted Christian" et, Fri Aug 10 11:05pmThe article seems to state in behalf of all religion, nowhere on what was posted does it state the Christian faith only.. Only mentioned Christian once, but does not suggest otherwise.. "They will be ... more
- Founders came over "on a boat?" greenman, Sat Aug 11 1:12pmYour history is, to put it mildly, skewed...
- They come over here looking for you they did.. et, Sat Aug 11 7:34pmThey wanted to put you back in your cage. But an old Indian squaw had you wrapped in papoose clothing, when they drawn near, she put you in a hemp basket and sent you up river.. But it wasn't the... more
- One little comment you don't send something floating Διός , Mon Aug 13 12:14pmupriver it is always downstream so down the river, sorry to interrupt. grin Διός
- Ah hah.. et, Wed Aug 15 1:45amVery observant. :)
- There WAS this little guy called COLUMBUS... Truthteller, Sun Aug 12 12:48pmwho was sent by the VERY Catholic Queen Isabella of Spain. Check out an American History book at the local library sometime since it seems you missed all this in elementary school.
- Take your meds (nm) greenman, Sat Aug 11 8:28pm
- Most of the Founders... Truthteller, Sat Aug 11 12:06pmwere actually deists.
- Were et, Sat Aug 11 7:46pmany of us there? :)
- No, but our ancestors WERE... Truthteller, Sun Aug 12 12:49pmand left a LOT of written records behind. Go get that American History book like I told you.
- Yea, they were all Muslim that had signed the Constition. et, Mon Aug 13 6:38amA lil' sarcasment interlude there for ya. :)
- I see that a serious conversation with you isn't possible Truthteller, Mon Aug 13 9:02amyour loss.
- Anythings possible.. e3t, Tue Aug 14 9:59amAs long as I don't have to act like an strict English professor to get any respect.. Not naming names, but same ole same ole: Character assassins..
- I was there Jeeves, Sat Aug 11 8:35pmCan you prove I wasn't? Sheesh.
- Re: I was there et, Sat Aug 11 10:56pmShoosh.
- Actually, you are mistaken Jeeves, Sat Aug 11 7:29am" The article seems to state in behalf of all religion, nowhere on what was posted does it state the Christian faith only. " The voters who approved the amendment think that its purpose is to protect ... more
- I only read what you posted. et, Sat Aug 11 9:17amAnd re-discover once again there's no use discussing whats christian with anti-christian. Is kinda Like talking to cattle, all they hear is a sound with one or two recognizable words, usually related ... more
- LOL I would sure like to go... Truthteller, Fri Aug 10 5:57pmto MO and cast a circle at some prayer event! Wonder how long it would take for the cops to mess with me?
- Absolutely ridiculous Truthteller, Fri Aug 10 11:14amI shudder when I think of how woefully ill-equipped today's kids will be when they grow up believing garbage like the earth is only 6,000 years old or the ancient peoples cohabited with dinosaurs.... more
- You knew, of course, that our oil shortage was Obama's fault Clawson, Sun Aug 12 5:24pmHe killed off the dinosaurs.
- Universities Jeeves, Fri Aug 10 11:38amThey can always attend the University of Missouri or Missouri State. Since those are under state control, the same prohibitions should apply to them.
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