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Kevin
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Sat Aug 18, 2012 11:36am
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what you call magick in your faith and in the Abrahamic faiths also can be approached in two ways -- one superstitious and one not-superstitious.

I respect magick when done as ritual that understands the intelligent foundations and meanings for the performance of the rituals. I have no patience for magic that is just superstition.

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God is an ever receding pocket of scientific ignorance. — PureStevil, Thu Aug 16 7:50am

If god couldn’t fertilize the virgin Marie than Christianity — Διός, Thu Aug 16 5:34pm

is dead. So don’t hold your hopes up that it all will just melt away. Διός
Great news! — Kevin, Thu Aug 16 8:02am

We are clarifying what is intended by the word "God" and removing bad thinking, misunderstanding, faulty methodology, inaccurate epistemology, and superstition. Maybe someday we can actually talk... more
If you remove superstition — greenman, Sat Aug 18 5:25pm

..you're left with an imaginary concept invented by humans in order to control other humans socially, psychologically, and intellectually.
Or — Kevin, Sat Aug 18 8:58pm

You are left with a word to describe a trace of something noticeable in actual human experience of self-transcendence that is not explainable or reducible to another word or concept and this trace of ... more
Let's hope so Kevin. — PureStevil, Thu Aug 16 8:16am

When we can reduce "God" so that it's no longer harmful to humanity then I won't have a problem with "God". Right now, I see what people call "God" doing a lot of damage and causing a lot of... more
Then, please provide your definition ... — Clawson, Thu Aug 16 8:14am

...to include ALL attributes and characteristics and appearances and motivations and... LOCATION, LOCATION, LOCATION, LOCATION, LOCATION, LOCATION, LOCATION, LOCATION, LOCATION, LOCATION, LOCATION,... more
He is located in the mind of some and flushing it out is — Διός , Thu Aug 16 6:45pm

impossible. I recon it is a disease that can’t be totally eradicated. Sad be true. Διός
Go back and see the original post in this thead — Kevin, Thu Aug 16 5:56pm

It makes it clear that your question and requirements for a particular type of definition are not valid. You are still asking for a definition that fits superstition and bad thinking. It is like you... more
Belief in a deity... — Truthteller, Fri Aug 17 11:34am

DOES involve superstition and "magic" to some degree. Christianity as well as the other Abrahamic religions are full of both.
You would have to clarify what you mean — Kevin, Fri Aug 17 9:20pm

Before I agree or disagree. Because to me superstition is bad thinking that assumes that black cats Bring bad luck. And magic is about control through non-rational and non-scientific means and there... more
Here are a few — Truthteller, Sat Aug 18 11:17am

that have sprung from Xianity. Of course, there ARE many others. Ditto with the other two Abrahamic faiths. http://www.islandnet.com/~luree/silly.html It's bad luck to walk under a ladder. This came... more
Hmmmm.... — Kevin, Sat Aug 18 11:34am

I'm not denying that those things happened or were taught or believed. But there is a difference between the foundations of the faith -- the creeds -- the liturgical practices -- the views about God, ... more
I think this says it best... — Truthteller, Sat Aug 18 1:17pm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superstition Superstition is a belief in supernatural causality : that one event leads to the cause of another without any physical process linking the two events, such... more
Also forgot to mention... — Truthteller, Sat Aug 18 11:30am

that magic (or as we Wiccans like to call it, magick) is one of the essential elements in the Abrahamic faiths starting with the magic worked by Moses in Exodus to the magic worked by Jesus himself... more
Well.... — Kevin, Sat Aug 18 11:36am
Yep and it is written down in black and white. (nm) — Διός , Fri Aug 17 8:18pm

Your words speak for themselves - and for you — Clawson, Thu Aug 16 9:18pm

If a deity is not concrete and cannot be located, then it is not real.
So let my words speak then — Kevin, Fri Aug 17 6:05am

Because I didn't say it wasn't concrete OR lacked location. I said your methodology and assumptions allow you to misunderstand me. THAT is the point of this whole thread. That people are talking past ... more
Hmmm — greenman, Sat Aug 18 5:25pm

..you more than most, it would seem.
Then, why don't you start off by talking LOCATION ? — Clawson, Fri Aug 17 12:31pm

If you say THAT is an invalid request, then I say you will NEVER be able to converse with most people about the subject.
Ok --but you won't like it because of your assumptions — Kevin, Fri Aug 17 9:02pm

Impossible request. As for being impossible to talk to most people about it, only if one holds your assumptions. I have pointed out to you a neuro-psychology book that points to how this could make... more
Are you then saying... — Truthteller, Fri Aug 17 11:38am

that is IS concrete and has a location? It's probably better to stay away from that and simply admit that practicing a religion involves taking on faith what someone else claims is real but isn't... more
What I am saying... — Kevin, Fri Aug 17 9:10pm

Is in my most recent reply to him. Clawson assumes a very rigid positivistic, reductionistic materialism/empiricism that is not supported by contemporary studies in epistemology or what we know about ... more
Oh, dear — Truthteller, Sat Aug 18 11:22am

I didn't really want to go THAT deep! LOL His point is simply this: why worship something that does not have a tangible presence in this world? I would go one further and say that due to the... more
Consider — Robert, Sun Aug 19 7:35am

Is it not possible to initially worship something that isn't tangible, although said something if followed, greatly improves mankind's life on earth, and then this improvement would indeed be... more
It isn't ALL "wonderful wisdom"... — Truthteller, Sun Aug 19 12:11pm

though I would never deny that there are SOME tidbits of it here and there. If someone thinks it "improves their lot" in life, then I guess it's done SOME good. It's like those drug addicts who find... more
Yes — Robert, Mon Aug 20 6:25am

I agree with the "ALL" statement. As for "SOME tidbits", this would be selling the content, especially of the NT, short in the extreme. Just the golden rule and inclusiveness alone, emphasized by the ... more
Most Christians probably wouldn't agree... — Truthteller, Mon Aug 20 1:09pm

because they treasure the supernatural part of the religion.
Yep (nm) — Robert, Mon Aug 20 4:11pm

Well that is my very point! — Kevin, Sat Aug 18 11:59am

Christianity has been very misunderstood by many and I want to clarify what is intended by God and soul and worship and Christ and all of those words. Christianity is about transforming humanity so... more
Kevin — Robert, Fri Aug 17 10:45am

I know you check in from time to time, so you are probably well aware of this, but you are entering a different neighborhood here than awhile back. Yes, we talked past each other awhile back as well, ... more
Actually, I barely can follow threads anymore — Kevin, Fri Aug 17 9:28pm

Way too busy IRL. Writing the dissertation. Presenting papers at academic conferences. Started a non-profit organization that is now tax exempt, recognized by the local bishop and I was able to get... more
Aha the Kevin protector how noble if your course was correct — Διός , Fri Aug 17 8:59pm

grin; the noble believers warrior. Now did we all are related to Noahs family or not seeming that god drowned the rest of all humans? Here is your chance to make a real name for yourself. Do say we... more
The Pope wouldn't approve — Truthteller, Sat Aug 18 11:24am

he'd much rather that folks like Kevin (as well as every nun) forget about silly things like trying to help people and focus on spreading the RCC's hatred for gays, abortion and contraception. ;)
Is this English!? — Robert, Sat Aug 18 5:28am

I'd be glad to respond, but one of your buds needs to translate first.
Definition of God — Timothy, Thu Aug 16 10:01am

God is all that is. All attributes, characteristics, appearances, and motivations. Location of God is everywhere. I seek a better definition if one is available for an all knowing, all seeing, all... more
And, that includes the left big toe — Clawson, Mon Aug 20 2:25pm

Try praying to your left big toe. Don't wait too long for an answer.
God doesn't need prayer, God doesn't need. (nm) — Timothy, Mon Aug 20 8:25pm

What do you mean by prayer? — Kevin, Mon Aug 20 6:04pm

You see, you can't talk about this topic and judge it as "false" or "true" without assuming a tremendous amount. Does prayer assume an "answer"? What would that answer look like? Would it shock you... more
Ah...Panentheism — Truthteller, Thu Aug 16 11:09am

Pantheism and Panentheism Another related tendency often found in Unitarian Universalist congregations isPanentheism. Panentheists hold that God is present in and throughout nature and humans, but... more
Well, not really if your statement is correct. — Timothy, Fri Aug 17 10:03am

"Panentheists hold that God is present in and throughout nature and humans, but also transcends them and is much greater than them." God wouldn't be "greater" than God. Labeling the definition of God ... more
Doesn't prove it either, does it? (nm) — Truthteller, Sat Aug 18 11:25am

No, but another definition has not been offered. (nm) — Timothy, Sat Aug 18 11:34am

Maybe... — Truthteller, Fri Aug 17 11:32am

just one part of "God" is in nature and humans? Just guessing there. Being Pagan, I'm more of a a Pantheist.
One of the best things about this definition — Timothy, Sat Aug 18 10:15pm

is in accepting it, one can respect all beliefs and non-beliefs as to the nature of God. I am surprised that it hasn't caught on more than it has. It leaves you without enemies though and maybe a lot ... more
Every atom in the universe is connected to all others. — Timothy, Sat Aug 18 11:29am

Connected by space which is called empty, but physics says there is something there that stretches and vibrates and has reality. I believe one part of God is God.
Reminded of this Steven Wright joke. — Timothy, Fri Aug 17 10:43am

"I got a full body tattoo. Of myself, only taller."
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