jbNOT FANTASY, you haven't read many.Mon Mar 6, 2017 11:01am2602:30a:2c87:9c60:5daf:8c04:47d8:1134
Not really.... Sprout, Mon Mar 6 10:53amfantasy is fantasy regardless of whether you put it in acronym form or not.
- NOT FANTASY, you haven't read many. jb, Mon Mar 6 11:01am
Been there, done that... Sprout, Mon Mar 6 11:04amBut, unlike you... for me, just because its on the interwebs doesn't mean it is factual.
Doesn't mean it's false. I believed in NDE in 1979 before jb, Mon Mar 6 12:22pmthere was a net. It's just that I learned a lot about NDE from the net and journals, books, and magazines. I bet you can't explain any reason to doubt NDE. I read an NDE that happened more than 100... more
The problem: You made NDE your religion. (nm) Contrarian, Tue Mar 7 6:26am
NO, but when i post about my Religion you CAN'T understand jb, Tue Mar 7 6:42amIn the garden of thy heart plant naught but the rose of love, and from the nightingale of affection and desire loosen not thy hold. Treasure the companionship of the righteous and eschew all... more Doesn't mean that it's true either... sprout, Mon Mar 6 2:01pmCertainly NEAR death experiences occur. Patients who are NOT YET DEAD still have experiences.. That is because their brains are still functioning to a limited degree.. They require no supernatural... more
Lay in your bed and look down on your body laying in the bed jb, Mon Mar 6 2:47pmHave you ever been knocked out? What do you remember about those moments? I remember I head the band playing but not what they played or where they were. I didn't see them. I didn't see anything. It... more
I've been unconcious quite a few times... Sprout, Tue Mar 7 5:32amAnd I've had plenty of very vivid dreams, especially when under the influence of drugs.
BUT, you didn't have ACCURATE visions of doctors reviving u jb, Tue Mar 7 5:39amand you weren't dead so your brain was still working. Now tell us about one of those vivid dreams.
LOL... NDE... NEAR death experience... Sprout, Tue Mar 7 6:27amNot POST death experience... If you can PROVE that someone had experiences with absolutely ZERO brain activity (not just zero MEASURABLE brain activity) you might begin to interest me. But you can't.
If they're not hallucinations what are they? jb, Wed Mar 8 5:34amThere is no brain activity with clinical death. It takes a lot of brain activity to see, hear, remember. (nm) jb, Tue Mar 7 6:44am
Assuming that is what was going on... Sprout, Tue Mar 7 7:45amVivid hallucinations often FEEL like the patient is seeing and hearing...
hallucinations are not accurate as NDE ARE and they are not jb, Tue Mar 7 8:24amusually remembered in detail for 30 years like NDE are and hallucinations have causes and NDE have non of those attributes so NDE are not hallucinations. That has been refuted by doctors very well.... more
Certainly those who have faith in NDE will select Sprout, Tue Mar 7 8:46amhallucinations that are perceived as being unusually accurate as being 'real' NDE and dismiss others as just hallucinations...
How can one hallucinate resuscitations accurately? jb, Tue Mar 7 8:58amWhat would cause them? NOTHING! NDE are very accurate. You can't hallucinate a resuscitation or invent a memory of one. They interview people with NDE and control groups and the control groups does... more
When you filter out hallucinations that are NOT Sprout, Tue Mar 7 9:05amrelatively close to other people's memories all you are left is the ones that do come close to peoples memories. Shocking.
Why NDE are NOT hallucinations. jb, Tue Mar 7 9:17amhttp://www.near-death.com/science/hallucinations/why-ndes-are-not-hallucinations.html They are NOT CLOSE, they are on the button. There are not jb, Tue Mar 7 9:09amthat many hallucinations. What would cause millions of hallucinations that are accurate?Religion and Ethics BBS