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How is that the Redeemer of Israel? the Everlasting Father? (nm)
Tue Mar 7, 2017 5:24am
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In MY opinion, the Messiah was born on May 14, 1948 — DFM, Mon Mar 6 9:58pm

at the Tel Aviv Museum of Art. Here is a picture of the birth of the Messiah. Here is a picture of the Messiah. DFM

If your religion is Zionism, you may have a point. (nm) — Contrarian, Tue Mar 7 12:32pm

Yes, my religion IS Zionism. The entire Hebrew religion is — DFM, Wed Mar 8 7:47am

based on Zionism. The very first words that God spoke to Abram (not yet Abraham) were: King James Bible Genesis 12 1 Now the LORD had said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy... more
Patently untrue — ChristopherBlackwell, Wed Mar 8 5:51pm

DFM, Most Jews are hardly Zionists.
What planet have YOU been living on? — DFM, Wed Mar 8 8:44pm

The great majority of Jews are Zionists. I know these people personally. DFM
And they direct Babylon to fight their wars — Contrarian, Thu Mar 9 6:30am

For Israel. It's a subversion far greater than communism ever was.
NO, the whole JEWISH religion is based on MESSIAH and His — jb, Wed Mar 8 8:31am

coming and you deny Him and you don't know Him and WON'T KNOW HIM. He is the Creator of Israel and you worship the creation.
Certainly NOT. The Messiah plays only a minor role. — DFM, Wed Mar 8 8:57am

The Land of Israel was always in the center of the stage. In any event, my interpretation that the State of Israel IS the Messiah unites both points of view. If you mean Messiah as a PERSON, then I... more
Ignoring the New Testament is childish — Contrarian, Wed Mar 8 12:53pm

And it's a warning to Israel. Think PETRA.
New Testament is NOT part of the Hebrew Religion. — DFM, Wed Mar 8 8:17pm

It plays no part whatsoever in Judaism.
That is obvious — Contrarian , Thu Mar 9 6:32am

Have you ever read the "rest of the story?"
NO but the contrast between OT/NT prophecies is very interes — jb, Thu Mar 9 5:25am

ting. The trick is to understand both.
No contrast. It's a seamless evolution — Conyraruan, Thu Mar 9 6:35am

and the new is simply the predicted prophecies manifest. And manifesting as we speak.
BTW, if Baha'u'llah had not fulfilled the Bible prophecies — jb, Wed Mar 8 9:32am

I would not be a Baha'i. That was one of the proofs I looked at before accepting Him. I read two thick books on how He fulfilled those prophecies and then another one on Buddhist and Hindu... more
You cannot imagine the Messiah and Israel will have a king — jb, Wed Mar 8 9:25am

but not how you imagine him to be. It will be a democracy and the Messiah has already died so He is nothing like you imagine. But, the Messiah is still the center of Israel's history just not like... more
Israel does not need another heredirary monarch to suck — DFM, Wed Mar 8 10:12pm

up its wealth and ruin the country as the previous Messiahs have done. Kingdoms are obsolete. Republics are current. I call your attention to the fact that Samuel says that God does not want Israel... more
I'm not sure the monarchy will be hereditary. It may be elec — jb, Thu Mar 9 5:30am

ted. We don't know much about the kings except there will be some and they won't want to be kings.
An elected "King", restrained in power by a Constitution, is — DFM, Thu Mar 9 9:58am

NOT a King in the classical meaning of the term. Today's titular "Kings" are anything but kings. DFM
You muddy the waters! (nm) — Contrarian, Wed Mar 8 1:04pm

How is that the Redeemer of Israel? the Everlasting Father? (nm) — jb, Tue Mar 7 5:24am
"How is that the Redeemer of Israel?" Silly question. — DFM, Tue Mar 7 8:49am

Clearly, the State of Israel has created a place of safety and security, to say nothing of economic prosperity for the People of Israel, no matter where they are scattered to. The People of Israel... more
But, read the TITLES of the Redeemer and Creator and you see — jb, Wed Mar 8 4:15pm

the titles of Messiah not Israel.
WHO REDEEMED them? — jb, Wed Mar 8 11:27am

Israel did not create a place of safety and security by itself. Have you read the 23rd Psalm? GOD played a hand in it.
Yes, and to achieve that nirvannah — Contrarian, Tue Mar 7 12:44pm

Mystety Babylon is now set up for utter destruction. Thanks a lot!
Who Redeemed it? Created it? There is One Redeemer and one — jb, Tue Mar 7 9:06am

Creator, the Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace and Israel will recognize the Messiah. Do you know Sabatai Zevi? He was a false messiah and because of him many Jews gave up the idea of a Messiah.
Is Baha a Jew? (nm) — Contrarian, Tue Mar 7 12:45pm

No, He is a Baha'i. (nm) — jb, Tue Mar 7 2:17pm

Answer the question! — Contrarian, Wed Mar 8 4:34am

Is he Arab or Jew?
Neither, He's Persian. (nm) — jb, Wed Mar 8 5:18am

Oh dear. — Contrarian, Wed Mar 8 1:01pm

This bears looking into. So, Bahaia is a terrorist organization? Are you on a no fly list? How did the suspicious religion end up in Haifa?
Why, God created it of course. Who else? — DFM, Tue Mar 7 11:29am

The State of Israel is the Messiah as far as I can tell. Even an old cynic like me! The State of Israel has redeemed Jews from all over the World and brought them back into their ancestral homeland.... more
Cherry picking? — Contrarian, Tue Mar 7 1:01pm

You are absolutely correct! It's a miracle, no doubt. Yet, you reject the forewarning prophecies about AFTER Israel's 'rehabilitation.' My suggestion for why the Jews are insecure, and rightly so, is ... more
The UN created Israel in a single day. (nm) — jb, Tue Mar 7 12:07pm

Yeah, and it along with the host "great city" — Contrarian , Tue Mar 7 1:03pm

Will be burned up in one hour. If you reside anywhere near that Nimrodian city of towers, FLEE to "Samaria."
USSR LEFT the Council and it voted to create Israel in 1 day (nm — jb, Tue Mar 7 2:39pm

GOG left the Security Council — Contrarian, Wed Mar 8 4:35am

Now the Zionists are maneuvering Babylon into being burned up.
But you don't believe in MIRACLES or PROPHECIES. — jb, Tue Mar 7 11:53am

BUT YOU QUOTE BOTH. BUT the Messiah is a Man. Fear not, thou worm Jacob, and ye men of Israel; I will help thee, saith the LORD, and thy redeemer, the Holy One of Israel. I am the LORD, your Holy... more
I clearly stated that these events impacted on my skepticism — DFM, Tue Mar 7 3:56pm

I still don't believe in miracles or prophecies, but I must admit that these are the best cases of evidence for miracles I have ever seen. If it were not for other items, such as WW2, the Holocaust,... more
What you probably know but I will reiterate is — Contrarian , Wed Mar 8 4:41am

the rebirth of Israel is the key to understanding the rest of the script. Revelation, a Jewish prophecy, cannot be realized until 1948 and all that follows on the world stage of politics and men. We... more
More flukes: Israel defeated 5 armies without one of its own — jb, Tue Mar 7 7:49pm

and a 2 yo happened to stop screaming in pain the instant I prayed God take her pain and give it to me and He did. Just a fluke.
Israel DID have an army in 1947. — DFM, Wed Mar 8 6:14am

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haganah Haganah (Hebrew: הַהֲגָנָה‎, lit. The Defence) was a Jewish paramilitary organization in the British... more
NOT TO fight 5 well armed countries. (nm) — jb, Wed Mar 8 6:49am

Arab states armies were small & poorly trained except Jordan — DFM, Wed Mar 8 8:40pm

The Arab Legion of Jordan was by far the best equipped and best trained force in the region, including even Israel. King Abdullah was only wishy-washy about the whole thing and preferred to make... more
Still a miracle they won and built a nation with so little — jb, Thu Mar 9 5:42am

water and oil. There are tapes of miracles in Israel. You should watch them.
No, their agents and moles use Babylon — Contrarian, Wed Mar 8 12:57pm

To fight their terrorist enemies whilst Babylon turns into a bankrupted shitehole. 9-11. Dare I say more.
You don't believe in MIRACLES but you believe in FLUKES? — jb, Tue Mar 7 7:02pm

You are a madman!
There is STILL no evidence of miracles. — DFM, Wed Mar 8 6:16am

But many strange things happen every day. DFM
IOW, MIRACLES happen every day, you just won't call them — jb, Wed Mar 8 7:14am

miracles. You are so illogical to say there is no evidence when you haven't seen all the evidence. I have seen plenty of evidence most notably the 2 yo burn victim. But, much of my life is miraculous ... more
You are entitled to your personal belief in miracles. — DFM, Wed Mar 8 10:02pm

What I object to is when you attempt to ram your personal belief in miracles down our throats by means of NDE, OBE, ESP, etc etc. You believe in miracles. Fine, I respect that. I do NOT believe in... more
It's a question of open minds. I believed in miracles like — jb, Thu Mar 9 6:08am

Jesus but not personal miracles until I experienced two but my mind was opened but yours is not and that is hard to respect. Talk to doctors about miracles. 70% of doctors believe in miracles as I... more
The Redeemer was and still is a Jew — Contrarian, Tue Mar 7 1:08pm

Was Bubba Budha a Jew? Was Baha a Jew? Get real. You quote the book written by Jews and you think those Jewish authors intended for your blasphemous choices to be selected as THE Messiah, Savior, the ... more
He died in Israel, exiled there to silence Him, but instead — jb, Tue Mar 7 2:16pm

He spread the Word. I would tell you about Him but His Biography is 1500 pages so where do I start? Suffice it to say He was born a very rich prince but He sacrificed all His wealth.
He is not relevant! (nm) — Contrarian, Wed Mar 8 4:48am

You're not relevant (nm) — jb, Wed Mar 8 5:20am

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