SESHere's an example of how stupid these kinds of claims are.Tue Aug 29, 2017 5:51am108.171.130.166 (XFF: 198.101.7.220)I saw a story on FaceBook titled something like "Archeology Provides Evidence of Samson Story!"
OK. Cool. Maybe they've found real evidence that a man with superhuman strength actually existed and toppled a temple by pushing apart two pillars.
Uh. No.
They found a temple that had two pillars. They admit that it isn't THE temple. Just A temple that MIGHT be SIMILAR to the temple that Samson supposedly toppled.
And that discovery is supposed to rock the foundations of biblical history or something.
Such ridiculous nonsense.
Like I said, unless it's Science Fiction, it isn't uncommon for fictional stories to reference real people, real places, real events. So finding an inscription that proves that a character in the bible actual existed should cause a reaction of "Yeah? So?"
Not "OH MY GOD THIS PROVES THAT THE BIBLE IS AN ACCURATE HISTORICAL RECORD AAAHHH!!!"
Researcher gives seal of approval to 53 biblical characters’ DFM, Sun Aug 27 10:38pmAs I have stated many times before, the History recorded in the Hebrew Bible is quite accurate, although not necessarily perfect. In particular, the people mentioned were absolutely real . Of course, ... more
- Here's an example of how stupid these kinds of claims are. SES, Tue Aug 29 5:51am
Researchers recentlyverify the existence of a city called... SES, Mon Aug 28 6:34am..."Atlanta". Independent verification has also been discovered proving that a battle of some kind was fought at a location called "Gettysburg" in which thousands and thousands of men were killed and ... more
You miss the point entirely. DFM, Mon Aug 28 10:07pmNobody claims that the minor characters of legend were real. But the KINGS are quite different. They DID exist as stated in the Hebrew Bible. Inscriptions bear their names. It is analogous to finding ... more
And why is that surprising? SES, Tue Aug 29 5:44amWhy wouldn't fictional stories include the names of real Kings?
You still miss the point: History of Hebrew Bible Is Valid. DFM, Tue Aug 29 8:18amI am talking about history, not fiction. It would be impossible to twist reality backwards in the way that the Wellhausen school imagines. Example: It would be impossible to create a believable... more
You're right. I AM missing it. SES, Tue Aug 29 8:42amWhy would it be a surprise if stories contained the names of actual Kings? Or that they contained "valid" historical stories? I don't get it. Why is any of that surprising or noteworthy?
Because the Wellhausen School denied the ENTIRE OT. DFM, Tue Aug 29 2:31pmThey claimed that it had been made up out of whole cloth AFTER the exile in 586 BCE. DFM
I'm not sure that is necessarily false... Sprout, Wed Aug 30 1:42pmI would write a PURE FICTION novel, knowing full well that it is entirely a work of fiction, yet set my fictional story in the time of the Czars in Russia. I could even narrow it down to happening in ... more Oh. Well. The Wellhausen School. That explains it. lol SES, Wed Aug 30 6:06amSo much misdirected angst. And a false sense of victory, proving the "Wellhausen School" wrong. [ sheesh ]
Prophecy is for real. Contrarian, Mon Aug 28 3:02amYou have the best example in the resurrection of latter-day Israel.
I will concede that the re-emergence of Israel SEEMS like a DFM, Mon Aug 28 3:31amprophecy come true, but there are so many that failed miserably, that I must chalk this up to coincidence. DFM
Yes, you have exampled a few "failures." Contrarian, Mon Aug 28 1:19pmMy non-scholarly opinion is they have not occurred yet. The timing was not ripe. Here is an example of a horribly failed prophecy. DFM, Mon Aug 28 6:11am(KJV is used below.) God says that David's kingdom will last forever. It didn't of course. It was entirely destroyed about 400 years after Solomon's death, never to be rebuilt. Even upon returning... more
According to my Southern Baptist inculcations Contrarian, Mon Aug 28 1:26pmDavid is a metaphor for The Lord. Jesus Christ Lord is to return at the exquisite height of the Battle of Armageddon, the Second Coming....to install the rule over this earth via the House of David.... more
What is the purpose of prophecy? SES, Tue Aug 29 10:27amI like the one where jesus told everyone that some of those present would be there -- still be alive -- when he returned. Now here we are 2017 years later and -- no jesus. Have you seen the... more
The thing I wonder is whether or not these Sprout, Tue Aug 29 7:29pmcharismatic religious leaders who crop up occasionally through history KNOW that they are simply scam artists? Or were they genuinely insane individuals who believed that they themselves were... more Of course, being a miracle, it did not happen. DFM, Tue Aug 29 2:35pmBut it is a tribute to the integrity of the authors and copying scribes of the New Testament that they left this verse in despite the fact that it had failed. DFM
So then that means that either... SES, Wed Aug 30 6:19am...they did not accurately write down what jesus said, which makes the entirety of everything that they wrote suspect, or... ...they just made it up, which again makes the entirety of everything that ... more A typo? Contrarian, Tue Aug 29 11:25amSo there are a few imponderables. Big deal. Prophecy is all about THE PLAN. It's the presient future laid out for those with an eye to see and an ear to hear. I believe it. And I am not easily... more
A "typo". lol. That's a new one. SES, Tue Aug 29 11:43am"For the Son of Man is going to come in the glory of His Father with His angels, and will then repay every man according to his deeds. Truly I say to you, there are some of those who are standing... more There is no house (dynasty), no kingdom and no throne. DFM, Mon Aug 28 11:37pm16 And thine house and thy kingdom shall be established for ever before thee: thy throne shall be established for ever. Your interpretation is rather forced. DFM
My inculcations tell me Jesus was related to David Contrarian , Tue Aug 29 11:36amWhen we Protestsnts think of David as "King" we know it's Jesus. Not the historical King David per se. The Bible is riddled with reference to David as well as a few major Christmas choral classics.... more
Jesus was descended from David on his MOTHER'S SIDE! DFM, Tue Aug 29 2:41pmHowever, royal inheritance was, in those days, exclusively patrilineal. If you follow the NT literally, Joseph was not the father of Jesus. Joseph WAS, according to the text, a patrilineal descendant ... more
Nicely explained by a human. But secularly fails. Contrarian, Wed Aug 30 5:39amGOD was (is) the Father, and male and female (hermophodictic) in the Hewbrew definition, or perhaps non-gendered. Oh, you do not accept the miracle. Too bad. You miss the entire scenario. However,... more
Hebrew Dynasties did NOT pass through females. DFM, Wed Aug 30 5:22pmMary's ancestry was irrelevant. DFM My guess is that the fable of god impregnating Mary... SES, Wed Aug 30 7:36am...came AFTER the fable of Jesus' birth. I mean, none of these fables were written down for many many decades after they supposedly happened, so who knows WHEN each fable was created. So at first it... moreReligion and Ethics BBS