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Amadeus
Playing Devil's Advocate For God... What?
Thu Oct 26, 2017 12:37pm
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Evidence #1) An all-powerful god who had created the incredible vastness of the universe out of nothing and then created life on Earth and who then decided that he wanted his creation to have his "word" would NEVER decide that the appropriate way to do that was to inspire scribes in a desert in the Middle East to scratch out words on papyrus so that only a few people on Earth would get his "word" directly.

This doesn't really indicate that their god does not exist. It only speaks to the logic of some of their beliefs about that god.

Evidence #2) The story of the Exodus as told in the Old Testament never happened. Something similar may have happened on a much much much smaller scale, and without all of the "miracles", but the story as told in the Old Testament never happened. It's obvious. Common sense says that it never happened as stated in the Old Testament. It's a story that was obviously man-made, not god-inspired.

Again, same answer as #1.

Evidence #3) jesus supposedly observed Passover, which commemorates the Exodus story as told in the Old Testament, a story that, as I said in #2, never happened. The son of god would have KNOWN that it had never happened. He would have corrected the Jews. He never did. He jujst went along, because he was just a Jew, like them, and not a messiah, not the son of god.

Why? If God never commanded the observance, but was not offended by it, why would Jesus have gone out of his way to specifically condemn that particular aspect of their faith? Your evidence here is mounting, but not for the nonexistence of that particular god. Rather for the collection of beliefs those believers have assembled.

Evidence #4) The Jews grew impatient when Moses was on the mountain for so long, and so they created a new "god" to worship. That was RIGHT AFTER witnessing MIRACLES performed by the god of Moses -- the plagues, parting of the sea, water from a rock, manna from heaven, etc. If they could create a NEW god, even after witnessing the miracles of the OLD god, it's obvious that they most likely created the OLD god, too.

I think you can't justify your particular jump over any other jump. I could interpret their actions thus: After basking in the glow of miracle after miracle, the people began to get jaded, and they began to feel entitled. They felt like they had an all powerful servant that would do whatever they wanted, and they had been steeped in a culture that they emulated. When one god did not respond on cue, move on to the next. They had skeletons in their closet - old gods and goddesses that hadn't been fully exercised. And the situation was perfect for a few to think they could grab some good press for their god by taking advantage of Moses' absence.

Evidence #5) There have been thousands and thousands of gods throughout human history. Different gods, different characteristics, different purposes, different belief systems. ALL of theses gods obviously never actually existed. They were entirely man-made. As are ALL gods. Every single god. Man-made. Just as are all religions. Man-made.

Obviously? Entirely? I don't think you can support that. I can, just as easily, offer an alternative: There is something out there. Perhaps something completely different from ALL out common conceptions of the gods. It has interacted with us at times, and has either taken on various roles or has been interpreted as this god, that goddess, etc. I can likewise look at your claim about religions being man-made and shrug. Who cares? Religion is a system. It organizes and codifies. Of course it is man-made. That isn't a "bug," it's a design feature.

Evidence #6) The whole concept of the religion is absurd. A god created the Earth and then man, and then tempted the man, knowing that the man would fall victim to the temptation, thereby becoming a sinner. Then when god decided to forgive man his sins, instead of just SHAZAM!!! forgiving him, god decides that a better way of doing it would be to knock up a virgin, have her give birth to himself as his own son, have him live for 30 years, doing jack sh*t to redeem anyone, and then have himself crucified -- as if that was an incredible sacrifice, knowing all the while that he was going to be resurrected into heaven anyway. Absurd.

Here, you conflate particular myths with the idea of religion in general - which you are conflating with the existence of god in general.

It is more complicated than that.

Amadeus

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