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We need to start licensing child birth Trish, Thu Oct 26 2:48pmThe more I read the more I realize that there are a LOT of breeders who have no functional clue how to take care of a child. Hell, we have to have a license to drive a car, but not to have a child... more
You are correct Ex-News Junkie, Fri Oct 27 6:31pmIn the not-to-distant future, there will be communities of people living in space. Their space habitats will most certainly have absolute limits on the number of people they can sustain. Whatever... more
Forgot to mention Ex-News Junkie, Sat Oct 28 1:15pmThe childbirth licensing system that I envision would: - quantify the sustainable population globally and regionally (hence the citizenship requirement); and - issue a limited number of licenses by... more
Cruel and unusual punishment, unconstitutional for several jb, Sat Oct 28 3:24pmreasons.
No, I think it's reasonable (nm) Ex-News Junkie, Sat Oct 28 3:50pm
So, you think it's okay to murder fetuses but not to have jb, Sun Oct 29 9:33amlive babies?
I think within my proposed childbirth licensing regime that Ex-News Junkie, Sun Oct 29 9:46pman unlicensed pregnancy should be terminated as soon as possible after the woman becomes aware of it. I'm in favor of leaving the choice up to the woman, but choices have consequences. If the... more
Just remember one thing Ennui, Mon Oct 30 1:03pmIn this instance where an unlicensed pregnancy goes to term, and the child is born - if the mother goes to jail, the child is removed from the mother. Hopefully you would consider the same fate for... more
You two are dreaming. Parents want children. (nm) jb, Tue Oct 31 12:21pm What about a liscense to get abortions? (nm) jb, Mon Oct 30 5:19am What groups represent the present? atheists?alcoholics?drug jb, Fri Oct 27 6:48pmaddicts? perverts?
Figure it out Ex-News Junkie, Fri Oct 27 9:53pmThe world is increasingly immersed in the products of science & technology.
Yes, and most scientists are religious especially now. (nm) jb, Sat Oct 28 5:13am
If it's unconstitutional to forbid abort babies it's unconst jb, Fri Oct 27 8:59amITUTIONAL to forbid having children,
- Issue Every New Mother a Copy Merlin, Fri Oct 27 6:06am
What about the fathers? Mondo Fuego™ , Fri Oct 27 12:12pmOh, wait, in some communities, there are no fathers around. But, these 2 stories take the wedding cake ... oh, wait, there were not enough weddings to go around. One black rapper has fathered 11... more
Du-uh :-) That Is Why I Said the Mothers. (nm) Merlin, Fri Oct 27 12:36pm
You gon'na start a race riot for sure Mondo Fuego™ , Fri Oct 27 12:16amAccording to some statistics I heard today, 70% of black children are born out of wedlock. They gon'na think whitey is out to get them. Hard to get them to even register to vote. They think whitey is ... more
Probably - honestly Trish, Fri Oct 27 5:21amI wrote this post out of utter frustration from reading the news and the number of truly horrible neglect cases like the parents who had not bathed their child in days, left him in the bouncy chair... more
More training and education seems good, but Ken C, Thu Oct 26 10:50pmno license or regulations. I think the right to procreate is a basic human right. Maybe we should stop giving tax subsidies to people who decide to have kids. That might discourage some poor or... more
I Lean Toward The Carrot In This Arena... Amadeus, Thu Oct 26 9:08pmMake education available, free, and reward those who participate in it. Give people every encouragement to do the right thing. Help them do the right thing. Amadeus
And Of Course, For Those Who Are A Bit Slow... Amadeus, Fri Oct 27 8:04am...by "education," I mean education about pregnancy, childbirth, caring for an infant, and raising a child. Having free classes on those things available and encouraging/rewarding people for using... more
And for the retard above ... Mondo Fuego™ , Fri Oct 27 12:17pm... they are already teaching sex education in schools and passing out condoms. Some people don't care to learn ... they just want to do it in the back seat of a Ford ... que sera sera . You sure are ... more
why are you so nasty all the time? Trish, Sat Oct 28 7:36amseriously dude get laid or something.
No thank you Ennui, Thu Oct 26 4:04pmI understand what you are saying but this has the danger of entering the realm of social engineering. Who would be trustworthy enough to be the licensing agency? Surely NOT the government! Who gets... more
Definitely some tough questions... Sprout, Fri Oct 27 5:35amIMO there are a lot of subjective standards that COULD be badly applied. But I think that there ARE some objective standards that possibly SHOULD be applied. I'll touch on a few of our comments and... more
Sorry about the slow response Ennui, Sat Oct 28 8:40amI have house guests this weekend and planned activities with them. This may not be the best time to respond to you, as I am essentially posting and running, but I don't want to be rude and ignore... more
While I certainly do, in general, oppose gov't overreach, Sprout, Mon Oct 30 6:17amwhen we, as a society, have already decided that we are going to PAY the costs of bad decisions, I am willing to acknowledge that authority comes with that responsibility. IMO if you can be held 100% ... more
In our society, for some strange reason, Ennui, Mon Oct 30 8:42amresponsibility of the individual's decision and subsequent actions has been shifted to a plethora of what I consider to be 'acceptable' excuses. There is always someone, something, or some... more typo Ennui, Sat Oct 28 8:42amor that they are have no intention of behaving in a responsible manner That should have been 'irresponsible'.
I agree. We license many activities in life based on the Sprout, Thu Oct 26 3:59pmresponsibilities associated with them. Driving a car. Practicing medicine. Heck in many places you have to be licensed to care for a child already, providing the child isn't yours. Licensed day care... more
Weren't your biological parents special? (nm) Mondo Fuego™ , Fri Oct 27 12:20am
No... I am not a liberal snowflake who thinks Sprout, Fri Oct 27 5:23amthat the world revolves around me. Are you? What makes your parents any different from any other set of parents?
No, Shadow, Thu Oct 26 3:26pmNo, we just need to lock up the ones who give us uneducated non_productive, drug taking, promiscuous drags on society. How does that sound because it assumes the same kind of authority you would like ... more
wow didn't expect that response. Trish, Thu Oct 26 5:09pmI ask you - if we require adoptive parents to go thru lengthy and often difficult back ground checks, pay mightily for adoption etc. how is that different? We are trying to insure the family is... more We cannot afford to lock up all the Welfare Bums, BUT DFM, Thu Oct 26 4:45pmwe can afford to pay them each to be surgically sterilized. It costs tens of thousands a year to keep a bum in prison. For a single, one-time payment of $10,000, most of these bums would permit... more
In theory, I agree with it. In practice, it will not work. DFM, Thu Oct 26 3:24pmWhat would happen would be that the government, in its infinite incompetence, would license the wrong people . The welfare bum class would grow and the working class would shrink into oblivion.... more
you are likely right Trish, Thu Oct 26 5:14pmconsidering the incompetence I see in CPS. I will tell you a true story. A friend of mine had a very active toddler who climbed out of his crib regularly. One day when they went to pick him up, they... more
What are the penalties? Jeeves, Thu Oct 26 3:08pmYou know people will have unlicensed babies. What happens then?
I would say that the answer is to develop Sprout, Fri Oct 27 6:12ameffective reversible sterilization that can be put in place at puberty. Probably done with the same enforcement protocols as many states have for immunizations. A requirement to attend legally... more
Conservative heads would explode Jeeves, Fri Oct 27 7:15am" I would say that the answer is to develop effective reversible sterilization that can be put in place at puberty " Conservatives had fits over giving the HPV vaccine to unmarried girls because it... more
And liberals heads would explode... Sprout, Fri Oct 27 8:45amwhen they realize it puts the responsibility on the FEMALE....
since a male contraceptive is likelly Trish, Sat Oct 28 6:09amyour post is silly. Actually it's very misogynistic. If a dude doesn't want a child he should keep it in his pants or use a condom. Two people; both responsible for their bodily functions.
I agree (nm) jb, Sun Oct 29 4:53pm Boom! Sprout, Sat Oct 28 8:20amMy point made... Apparently biology is misogynistic. Gotta take that up with whichever deity you prefer.
.You make no sense Trish, Sat Oct 28 1:03pmto say that the responsibility for pregnnancy lies ONLY in a woman's hands is simply BS
Her body, her choice right? Sprout, Sun Oct 29 6:14amIf you want him to have responsibility for her body, you give him authority over it in equal measure.
that is what a condom is for trish, Sun Oct 29 11:22amor he could walk away and NOT initiate anything. Takes 2 to tango.
So.. shared responsibility, but no sharing Sprout, Sun Oct 29 1:07pmof authority... Not going to happen.
If I may jump in here with a thought Ennui, Mon Oct 30 9:16amThe problem, as I see it, is that in our drive to try to make things equal across the board, there just may be situations where we can not achieve that goal. Yes - if the goose and gander share equal ... more
I agree. Sprout, Mon Oct 30 10:53amBiology is key. But if biology does not allow truly equal authority, then it should not result in equal responsibility.
Re: I agree. Ennui, Mon Oct 30 12:57pmBut if biology does not allow truly equal authority, then it should not result in equal responsibility. .... And that is where the problem lies. Both parents, who are responsible and decent and love... more
Acceptance that if biology establishes unequal authority, Sprout, Mon Oct 30 1:20pmsociety must accept unequal responsibility. We may have to learn to accept unbalanced scales. The idea I was advancing was one of preemptive reversible sterilization. Then the pregnancy does not... more
Re: Acceptance that if biology establishes unequal authority, Ennui, Mon Oct 30 2:16pm"We may have to learn to accept unbalanced scales." ........ I think, in certain circumstance, yes, the scales can not always be balanced, as hard as we try and as well intended as we may be.... more
Crime is worse. (nm) jb, Tue Oct 31 8:31am what kind of "authority" Trish, Mon Oct 30 8:22amdo you suggest
Equal authority if there is to be equal Sprout, Mon Oct 30 10:51amresponsibility... Whichever party retains greater authority over a given decision must retain greater responsibility for the costs of that decision. And this applies to EACH decision. Not just the... more What? Jeeves, Fri Oct 27 9:20amResponsibility for what?
It's about biology... Sprout, Fri Oct 27 12:26pmWho gets sterilized? Females. Because sterilizing both is overkill, but it still needs to be done in the manner designed to result in MINIMAL unintended pregnancies. And one unintentionally fertile... more
Re: It's about biology... Jeeves, Fri Oct 27 2:18pm" Who gets sterilized? " It depends on the method used. Perhaps both will be.
Why both? Sprout, Fri Oct 27 4:48pmIt only takes one... And I explained why which one.
Yes, you explained your reasoning Jeeves, Sat Oct 28 6:34amI just don't agree with your reasoning
So, again... Why both? Sprout, Sat Oct 28 8:18amOr why males? It just won't work. DFM, Thu Oct 26 3:25pmNobody will enforce the penalties. If such licensing were started, the worst segment of society would get the licenses. DFM
Essentially Ennui, Thu Oct 26 4:08pmlaws are for people who respect them. Those who don't respect the law will find a way around them.
For the most part, you are correct. (nm) DFM, Thu Oct 26 5:54pmReligion and Ethics BBS