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Fri Oct 27, 2017 1:21pm (XFF:

So let me ask: Gays and Lesbians can now marry and enjoy the benefits they had been deprived of. Has this caused your suffering?

You had no response.

When Obama took office, the Dow was 6,626. Now it is 19,875. Has this caused your suffering?
**After the 2008 crash that was caused by the Democratic sponsored "Community Reinvestment Act"
That was not the cause of the crash. This is well known and understood. It was the irresponsible packaging and selling of subprime loans as investment vehicles - and the irresponsible rating of those investments as excellent.

We had 82 straight months of private sector job growth – the longest streak in the history of the United States. Has this caused your suffering?
**When you start from the bottom, the only way to go is up.

No. You can continue to bounce off the bottom. Of course, you know that we weren't at the bottom. It could have definitely gotten much worse. But you seem incapable of accepting the facts with any grace.

Especially considering where the economy was when he took over, an amazing 11.3 million new jobs were created under President Obama (far more than President Bush). Has this caused your suffering?
**When you start from the bottom, the only way to go is up.

Again, you can continue bouncing along the bottom. A good standard of measurement is to look at what Republicans said they would be able to do if elected. Obama surpassed their promises by the middle of his first term. So, not only did we not bounce along the bottom, but we made a quick recovery.

Obama has taken Unemployment from 10% down to 4.7%. Has this caused your suffering?
**Nearly all job growth was in the PUBLIC sector, in other words, government jobs paid for by the taxpayers.

The US experienced its longest ever streak of PRIVATE sector job growth under President Obama. Here's a few sites to enhance your facts.

Homelessness among US Veterans has dropped by half. Has this caused your suffering?
**Simply NOT TRUE.

Look again:
How many homeless veterans are in America?
In January 2016, communities across America identified 39,471 homeless veterans during point-in-time counts. This represents a substantial decrease (56 percent) in the number of homeless veterans counted in 2010. Though veterans continue to remain over represented in the homeless population in America, these recent decreases demonstrate the marked progress that has been made in ending veteran homelessness.

Obama shut down the US secret overseas prisons. Has this caused your suffering?
**Big mistake. They were very useful squeezing information from terrorists.

Useful, perhaps, like torture is useful? Then again, torture isn't really useful. Hmmm...
Of course, such sites are (at best) a legally gray issue. Morally and ethically? No ambiguity. They are wrong. Like torture. Hey, I sense a pattern here.

President Obama has created a policy for the families of fallen soldiers to have their travel paid for to be there when remains are flown home. Has this caused your suffering?

No response.

We landed a rover on Mars. Has this caused your suffering?

No response.

He passed the Matthew Shepard Hate Crimes Prevention Act. Has this caused your suffering?
**Useless and worthless. All of the illegal acts were already covered.

Sometimes, crimes are committed with the purpose of intimidating groups. The crimes carry messages that we can unintentionally validate by simply not addressing them - by telling the victims that all crimes are equal. There is a difference between someone drawing a smiley face on the side of your house and someone drawing a swastika. We need to call out hate crimes and make examples of them to marginalize such views.

How did this cause suffering for you?

Uninsured adults has decreased to below 10%: 90% of adults are insured – an increase of 20 Million Adults. Has this caused your suffering?
**Also a total lie.

I'm not going to lie. I love pointing out your errors.

That is pretty darn close to the numbers from the article.

People are now covered for pre-existing conditions. Has this caused your suffering?
**ONE good thing.

Yeah. The single good thing Obama did. Sheesh.

Insurance Premiums increased an average of $4,677 from 2002-2008, an increase of 58% under Bush. The growth of these insurance premiums has gone up $4,145 – a slower rate of increase. Has this caused your suffering?
**Total LIE. My premiums went from $400 to $1050 per month thanks to Obamacare.

You know better than to try to stack one anecdote against the overall data. We've been down this road many times. Premiums rose much more slowly than before, on average. Yes, some people DID experience higher premiums. Some people would have, no matter what. It is still a vast improvement for most people.

Obama added Billions of dollars to mental health care for our Veterans. Has this caused your suffering?


Consumer confidence has gone from 37.7 to 98.1 during Obama’s tenure. Has this caused your suffering?
**Again, it had nowhere to go but UP.

You know the drill.

He passed the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act. Has this caused your suffering?


His bi-annual Nuclear Summit convinced 16 countries to give up and destroy all their loose nuclear material so it could not be stolen. Has this caused your suffering?
**We see how well that worked in the case of North Korea & Iran.

Most of the civilized world recognized that the Iran deal was a good deal. We weren't able to impose our will on Iran. Boo hoo. Diplomacy means dialogue. It means a give and take. You take what you can get, and you build on it. As for North Korea, there simply isn't a lot we can do. It would be better to recognize that and not make empty threats that make us look like idiots.

He saved the US Auto industry. American cars sold at the beginning of his term were 10.4M and upon his exit 17.5M. Has this caused your suffering?
**From the bottom of a Democratic-caused recession.

Um, no. As has been pointed out. In addition, there were more factors that contributed to the near collapse of the auto industry. But the salient point is, the auto industry recovered.

The deficit as a percentage of the GDP has gone from 9.8% to 3.2%. Has this caused your suffering?
**Another lie.

Another error by you:

You will see a chart that shows deficit as a percentage of GDP. You will see that you are wrong.

The deficit itself was cut by $800 Billion Dollars. Has this caused your suffering?
**Another lie. The debt DOUBLED during Obama's tenure in office.

Do you know the difference between deficit and debt? See above article again.

Obama preserved the middle class tax cuts. Has this caused your suffering?
**MY taxes went UP as they always do after a "tax cut".

You have the worst luck. Tax cuts make your taxes go up, a slow in insurance premium hikes makes your premiums skyrocket... There has to be a common denominator here somewhere.

Obama banned solitary confinement for juveniles in federal prisons. Has this caused your suffering?
**Yes. It permitted the worst offenders to terrorize the rest.

So, you've been terrorized by juveniles in federal prisons? More to the point, can you document where this policy led to what you claim, or are you just making stuff up (like you have been doing, apparently all along?)

He signed Credit Card reform so that rates could not be raised without you being notified. Has this caused your suffering?


He outlawed Government contractors from discriminating against LGBT persons. Has this caused your suffering?

Some people like discrimination. I could see how that might cause some suffering. Did you suffer much? Were you able to compensate by increasing the discrimination you personally imposed on LGBT people?

He doubled Pell Grants. Has this caused your suffering?

Good stuff.

Abortion is down. Has this caused your suffering?
**It was dropping before he came in.

It's worth a deeper look -

Violent crime is down. Has this caused your suffering?
**A gross lie. Obama fanned the flames of inter-racial hatred and caused a huge increase in violent crime during his last two years.

Or not. Again. LOL... Here you go:

He overturned the scientific ban on stem cell research. Has this caused your suffering?
**That WAS a good thing.

Everything on this list was a good thing.

He protected Net Neutrality. Has this caused your suffering?

Oh yeah.

Obamacare has extended the life of the Medicare insurance trust fund (will be solvent until 2030). Has this caused your suffering?
**Yes, great suffering. My bills have gone UP and my income has gone down. Thanks, Obama, NOT.

I guess. Again, this has not been most people's experience. The data is what it is.

President Obama repealed Don’t Ask Don’t Tell. Has this caused your suffering?

Again, equality can seem like you're losing your "right" to persecute folks. But that's not really how it is.

He banned torture. Has this caused your suffering?
**Yes. Sometimes the ONLY way to get information out of terrorists is to abuse them brutally.

The experts say that torture is counterproductive. It doesn't just NOT produce good intel. It produces bad intel. It creates more work that leads to fewer results. You can refuse to accept that because it doesn't align with your politics if you want, or because it isn't what you already believe, but that's not how reality works.

He negotiated with Syria to give up its chemical weapons and they were destroyed. Has this caused your suffering?
**Utter FAILURE. Syria used its "non-existent" chemical weapons again earlier this year.

We worked with Russia on this, and Russia seemed to have not been as thorough as they should have been. We still aren't sure how they managed to keep some weapons, although we speculate that Assad might have kept some precursors for combination at a later date. Not an utter failure. We did destroy a lot of weapons and the vast majority (if not the totality) of the infrastructure for making them. But it wasn't a total success.

Solar and Wind Power are at an all time high. Has this caused your suffering?

High School Graduation rates hit 83% – an all time high. Has this caused your suffering?

Corporate profits are up by 144%. Has this caused your suffering?
**Again, starting from the bottom.

Again, same.

He normalized relations with Cuba. Has this caused your suffering?
**Big WHOOP. It did nothing for the USA, although it was stupid to refuse diplomatic relations with Cuba.

So, a good thing.

Reliance on foreign oil is at a 40 year low. Has this caused your suffering?
**Obama fought tooth and nail AGAINST increased oil production and against fracturing.

Yes. Because we need to move to greener, cleaner energy.

US Exports are up 28%. Has this caused your suffering?

He appointed the most diverse cabinet ever. Has this caused your suffering?
**Yes. The biggest bunch of incompetents and thieves in the history of the United States.

Come on, have you SEEN the current cabinet? I mean, those who haven't had to resign, yet? They seem to have been hand picked to destroy their departments.

He reduced the number of troops in both Iraq and Afghanistan. Has this caused your suffering?
**And permitted ISIS to grow from zero into a major force.

We could debate for days why ISIS exists, and what allowed it to grow. But I think it is a weak argument to try to blame it on Obama.

Yes, he killed Osama Bin Laden and retrieved all the documents in his possession for analysis. Perhaps THIS caused your suffering?
**Found on the basis of torture that he forbid.


From an objective standpoint it would appear that the last eight years have seen some great progress and we were saved from a financial collapse. Things are not perfect. Things can always be better. We are on much better footing now than we were in 2008.

I look forward to understanding what caused you to suffer so much under Obama these last eight years.”

**You have just read part of it.

Man, you were a fountain of errors. Constant errors. Almost everything you posted was incorrect. You should really pause and regroup. Throw out what you think you know and start fresh. Because DAMN. Each one took me just a few minutes to debunk. You need to take more responsibility for what you are contributing to your echo chamber.


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