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If I may jump in here with a thought
Mon Oct 30, 2017 9:16am

The problem, as I see it, is that in our drive to try to make things equal across the board, there just may be situations where we can not achieve that goal.

Yes - if the goose and gander share equal responsibilities and thus consequences, it is only fair that equal authority (and if you will, 'privileges) are shared too. But is this something that can be achieved in the real world?

The problem we are all running into with this is simple biology - the woman is the one who becomes pregnant and thus, she is the one that runs the health risks and sometimes, even risk to her life. No one planned it this way - it simply is the way that it is. But it is the reality of the situation. She has the greater risks.

So, let us say that since both parents are held equally accountable, they get an equal share in all of the decisions in the interests of fairness and in this case we are talking about, to go forward with a pregnancy, or to not go forward. But the problem with this is that no matter how much you try to make things equal, they are not. The male does not become pregnant. The risks to his health are not the same as the female's. That's just the way it is.

How would make things 50-50 for this if you want to make things as fair as possible?

One could say, well, she didn't have to go forward with the pregnancy when she found out there was a problem. But if the male has equal say, its not that simple.

So, let us say that the parents agree to move forward with the pregnancy, something happens, and her health goes down to the tubes or she even dies (dramatic, but it does happen). She 'took the risk', granted. With authority comes responsiblities and consequences. But our goal here is to make things as equal and fair as possible, both in authority and responsibilities, which carries with it the implication of consequences.

She is dead because of her decisions and the risk she decided to take - what is the equal responsibility and/or consequences the male takes on because he had equal authority over the decision?

In this instance, I doubt you can make things equal between both parties. And so, to compensate the woman for the way things are (something that not one of us caused to be), she is granted the ultimate say over the pregnancy.


Unless, of course, if both have equal authority over the decision, both decide to move forward, one dies . . . and the other? What is the 'equal' consequence for the equality in the authority over said decision?

How do you compensate for the added risk that she takes for a pregnancy? It is a risk, that granted the male does not take on, though granted, he did not arrange for things to be this way.

  • So.. shared responsibility, but no sharing Sprout, Sun Oct 29 1:07pm
    of authority... Not going to happen.
    • If I may jump in here with a thought — Ennui, Mon Oct 30 9:16am
      • I agree.Sprout, Mon Oct 30 10:53am
        Biology is key. But if biology does not allow truly equal authority, then it should not result in equal responsibility.
        • Re: I agree.Ennui, Mon Oct 30 12:57pm
          But if biology does not allow truly equal authority, then it should not result in equal responsibility. .... And that is where the problem lies. Both parents, who are responsible and decent and love... more
    • what kind of "authority"Trish, Mon Oct 30 8:22am
      do you suggest
      • Equal authority if there is to be equalSprout, Mon Oct 30 10:51am
        responsibility... Whichever party retains greater authority over a given decision must retain greater responsibility for the costs of that decision. And this applies to EACH decision. Not just the... more
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