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ISLAM IS DYING and will disappear. Many Jews are virtual
Tue Oct 31, 2017 7:51am
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I am hoping against all previous experience that Islam will — DFM, Tue Oct 31 7:46am

clean up its act and enter the fold of humane and decent religions. However, the gap may be too large. Also, I want to make a point as a religious Jew. I do not believe that God is imaginary and... more

Just as I've often argued with Bauer... — SES, Tue Oct 31 10:54am

...how does a Jew know which parts of the ancient texts that were once held to be the "word of god" can now be expunged to "clean up the religion's act"? There was a time when Jews had NO PROBLEM... more
Answers to your questions. — DFM, Tue Oct 31 2:02pm

"So how was it that Jews eventually "entered the fold of humanity" by turning all of that "violent shit" into something that it never had been - irrelevant?" Because they became cosmopolitan by being ... more
Then what do you need GOD FOR! — SES, Wed Nov 1 5:52am

If Rabbis, all on their own, developed the highest ethical and moral system in human history, by expunging all of the "violent shit" that Jews had, for hundreds of years, accepted as the "word of... more
God is the anchor for the system. — DFM, Wed Nov 1 6:42am

Without the concept of God, the Jewish system simply does not work. The concept of God includes divine reward and punishment, which are necessary for the system to work on many persons. Hope of... more
So you only "do good" out of fear of divine punishment? — SES, Thu Nov 2 7:43am

I want you to tell me one significant thing that you DID NOT DO solely out of fear of divine punishment? Were you going to kill someone? Commit a rape? Rob a Bank? Based on the FACT that Theists... more
SOME people need that added motivation. — DFM, Thu Nov 2 4:53pm

I like to think that I do good for its own sake, but others may differ. For me, it is not fear of divine punishment, but a guilty conscience that stops me. For some people, that is not enough, so... more
In every discussion of this that I've seen on... — SES, Fri Nov 3 7:06am

...the "Atheist Experience", or in debates with Dawkins or Hitchens or Harris, the exact same statement is made. It will be pointed out that "divine punishment" or something similar is a piss poor... more
I believe that you are DEAD WRONG. Plenty of people are held — DFM, Fri Nov 3 8:27am

in check by fear of God. Remember this maxim: "If it's stupid, but it works, then it isn't stupid after all." DFM
My point being that... — SES, Fri Nov 3 8:38am

...every Theist that I've ever heard comment on this has said that "divine punishment" wasn't why THEY behaved themselves PERSONALLY, but that a lot of OTHER PEOPLE need it in order to behave. It's... more
Sure! Who is going to ADMIT that he would be a murderer — DFM, Fri Nov 3 12:29pm

except that the fear of God held him back? But there are really plenty of them out there. DFM
Fear of divine punishment/or hope for rewards are very remot — jb, Fri Nov 3 11:20am

e and not very effective in inspiring obedience.
By the way, do you think a "guilty conscience" comes from... — SES, Fri Nov 3 7:14am

...god? I get a "guilty conscience" sometimes too, when I've done something I shouldn't have. Here's an example, sort of. My daughter gave me her cat about five years ago. For reasons I won't get... more
Guilt Conscience Comes from Upbringing Plus Innate Feeling. — DFM, Fri Nov 3 8:39am

People have innate feeling of right and wrong, but they are fairly weak and need direction and reinforcement. That is what upbringing is supposed to do. But when the upbringing is itself evil, then... more
you don't understand Islam, i talk to people who do and DISA — jb, Fri Nov 3 12:09pm

GREE with you as do i.
And i tell you to turn to Baha'i which modern and forget the — jb, Tue Oct 31 1:42pm

old which you cannot understand.
My position may be naive but its a simple one — Ennui, Tue Oct 31 8:02am

I don't give a crap by what name something calls itself and where it comes from and what group supports it ... if it is good, keep it. If it is bad, get rid of it. Your position is very clear to me.... more
ISLAM IS DYING and will disappear. Many Jews are virtual — jb, Tue Oct 31 7:51am

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