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It DOESN'T MATTER. why do you debate the issue? (nm)
Mon Nov 27, 2017 7:58am
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If Christian scripture is "inspired", then why.... — SES, Mon Nov 27 7:05am

...do Theists care whether the gospels were written by eyewitnesses? I had a long debate over the weekend about the gospels, and who actually wrote them, and when. As far as I can determine,... more

Good, better, best.... — Sprout, Tue Nov 28 7:29am

It is GOOD if a story is inspired by God. It is BETTER if it is inspired by God AND written by someone known and respected. It is BEST if it is inspired by God AND written by someone known and... more
If I were a Theists -- a Judeo-Christian Theist... — SES, Tue Nov 28 8:20am

...I would look at all of it logically. Obviously, if GENESIS is correct it would HAVE to have been "divinely inspired". Nobody other than god was there to witness the Creation. So god would have HAD ... more
No, you would not... — Sprout, Tue Nov 28 8:29am

Because religion isn't logical. The leap of faith that takes one from non-belief to belief is not logical. Therefore it cannot be created OR broken with logic. And if your religion was the only one... more
That's true. As I was typing that I was thinking... — SES, Tue Nov 28 8:38am

..."There is NO WAY I could be a Theist, using ONLY the evidence that currently exists. It just makes absolutely NO SENSE, at ALL, on ANY level. For example, it would be impossible for me to say WHY... more
Investigate the Baha'i Faith, it makes more sense and there — jb, Tue Nov 28 9:49am

are Baha'is to help you understand but you don't want to understand, you want to bitch about the Bible and waste your life disunderstanding.
I have no need of your Cult, thanks. — SES, Tue Nov 28 12:04pm

Just more religious beliefs that are based on zero evidence. I'm not easily impressed.
i WOULDN'T be a Baha'i if it were not based on evidence. — jb, Tue Nov 28 12:20pm

you may be the most closed minded poster here.
I remember some of your "evidence", having to do with... — SES, Tue Nov 28 1:00pm

...the miracle at the firing squad execution of some guy. Using simple common sense, it was easy tom prove that the story was ridiculous nonsense. Probably a story based in truth, that had been... more
you take 1 fact and assume it's false and then reject Faith! — jb, Tue Nov 28 1:41pm

That's you, base rejection on ignorance!
I take an assumption and prove it's false with facts.... — SES, Tue Nov 28 1:44pm

...and then reject belief without evidence. YOU take anecdotes, believe them, and then LEAP from there to "there's a god". That's acceptance based on illogical reasoning.
you don't know the difference between fact and opinion. — jb, Tue Nov 28 1:49pm

It is you who doesn't make sense and you won't discuss FDE/SDE/DBV/ADC/TL and won't even mention them.
i don't think a large % of Christians believe Gospels were — jb, Tue Nov 28 8:38am

written by witnesses. The Baha'i Writings were written by Manifestations.
SES - I'll Answer You Honestly... — Amadeus, Mon Nov 27 12:49pm

And without assuming the conclusion. First of all, to answer your question: (Q) If Christian scripture is "inspired", then why do Theists care whether the gospels were written by eyewitnesses? (A)... more
It fascinates me how oblivious many Theists are... — SES, Tue Nov 28 6:49am

...when it comes to the SOURCE of their scriptures. One Theist (assuming that as an Atheist I just hadn't done enough research) made the statement that I should read the accounts of historians who... more
Why do you use a capital J for Josephus but not Jesus? (nm) — jb, Tue Nov 28 8:40am

To annoy you (nm) — SES, Tue Nov 28 8:48am

Does it annoy you i type ses? (nm) — jb, Tue Nov 28 9:00am

I hadn't even noticed. (nm) — SES, Tue Nov 28 9:10am

But Where Does It Lead? — Amadeus, Tue Nov 28 7:54am

Where are you taking that road? You have before you a theist and a Christian who will happily admit that the books of the bible were (in many cases) not written by the person that tradition claims,... more
That wasn't too long or boring at all. — SES, Tue Nov 28 8:12am

Other than discussions on here, my discussions with Theists either originate on FaceBook, or in person when people discover that I'm an Atheist. On FaceBook, I'll get some "feed" from "GodIsReal",... more
Your one remark will get a response from me. — shadow, Mon Nov 27 11:49am

Your quote: "Scholarly consensus" is also that the gospels are anonymous, and the true authorship cannot now be determined. But given the late dates, they almost certainly were NOT written by THE... more
The harmony of WHAT scriptures? — SES, Tue Nov 28 6:14am

As far as I know, there are no Old Testament scriptures that tell the same story, but with contradictions. Well, I take that back. There ARE two "Creation" chronologies that don't agree. And there... more
PS — shadow, Mon Nov 27 11:51am

I think you choose the opinion that supports your agenda. You might think the same of me.
It DOESN'T MATTER. why do you debate the issue? (nm) — jb, Mon Nov 27 7:58am
Because this is a Religion Message Board, where we... — SES, Mon Nov 27 8:07am

...debate issues relating to religion. Does that really need to be said?
They WHY DON'T we debate NDE/FDE/SDE/DBV/ADC/TL? (nm) — jb, Mon Nov 27 8:21am

Been there. Done that. — SES, Mon Nov 27 8:25am

They have nothing to do with religion. So I'm amazed that we waste so much time listening to your drivel about them.
They have EVERYTHING to do with religion, shows how little — jb, Mon Nov 27 9:26am

you know about them. Read some nderf.org
Then stop lying about them. — SES, Mon Nov 27 11:26am

Bauer: "39% were AWARE during death which is impossible." For the gazzillionth time, that is NOT what the AWARE study said. You even POSTED what it DID say, and then LIED about what it said. What it... more
NDE have a PROFOUND EFFENCT on people's concepts of God & — jb, Mon Nov 27 12:24pm

religion as do FDE/SDE/DBV/ADC/TL. you need to read a few thousand experiences so you know what you are talking about. Nobody is willing to discuss FDE/SDE/ADC/TL on this bb. WHY?
So do mushrooms, Acid, and weed. Big deal. (nm) — SES, Tue Nov 28 6:04am

SOURCE? NDE DON'T involve those things. (nm) — jb, Tue Nov 28 7:37am

A caller to the "Atheist Experience" talked about how... — SES, Tue Nov 28 7:58am

...mind-altering drugs had enabled him to come to a much deeper understanding of life and consciousness and god. That's pretty common. People perceive that they've experienced a whole new level of... more
one caller compared to thousands of NDERS (nm) — jb lol, Tue Nov 28 8:42am

...and the evidence is just as flimsy. (nm) — SES, Tue Nov 28 8:48am

you don't know the PROOFS of NDE because you won't look at — jb, Tue Nov 28 9:05am

them. They are VOLUMINOUS but all of you ignore all the proofs. For example: Woman Learns Quantum Mechanics in NDE, LONG ARTICLE, Very Good The professor in charge of her studies was astounded. The... more
They were CLINICALLY DEAD during treatment or they would not — jb, Mon Nov 27 12:20pm

be GETTING TREATMENT! ONCE a patient has heart attack s/he is NOT AWARE. READ a few thousand NDE so you know what you are talking about. you are amazingly ignorant of the subject.
They weren't "dead" the whole friggin' time. — SES, Tue Nov 28 6:03am

In some cases, people were already in the hospital when they had their cardiac arrest. That means that there was a BEFORE cardiac arrest, a DURING cardiac arrest, and an AFTER cardiac arrest. Unless... more
You Know The Time By The Testimony. It's Not Hard. "He Beat — jb, Tue Nov 28 7:34am

My Chest." You know When That Happened, After Death. When you have a heart attack, you lose consciousness and it takes a while to regain it. But, the patient never really loses consciousness because... more
That is ALL a lie, and you know it. — SES, Tue Nov 28 7:55am

jesus h crist, Bauer. These issues -- when during the event these "perceptions" occur -- was what AWARES was all about. They were going to try to link up, time-wise, "death" and any kinds of... more
WRONG, they were trying to get patients to see hidden pictur — jb not bauer, Tue Nov 28 8:59am

es but the patients didn't have visions where the pictures were. Time had nothing to do with it. AGAIN, the NDERS saw ACTIONS as they happened not before or after AS THEY HAPPENED. That is evidence... more
Liar. It's even in the quote you use ad nauseum. — SES, Tue Nov 28 9:24am

"Regarding the one case that was validated and timed using auditory stimuli during cardiac arrest , Parnia concluded, 'This is significant, since it has often been assumed that [these] experiences... more
A key part but not the purpose. LIS/we know when the patient — jb, Tue Nov 28 10:04am

saw events because we know about when events occurred. Actually consciousness is lost IMMEDIATELY after a heart attack. And it is not regained for many minutes after revival. But that is not true of... more
The purpose actually sort of morphed, when Parnia... — SES, Tue Nov 28 12:17pm

...realized that the likelihood of anyone having an out-of-the-body experience in a room where the images had been placed and actually SEEING them and remembering them was infinitesimal. Then he was... more
i never thought the pictures had any significance because SO — jb, Tue Nov 28 12:28pm

MUCH is remembered from NDE including blind NDERS and atheist NDERS. WHAT SIGNIFICANCE would hidden picture have to a NDER? Their focus is on resuscitation efforts. The testimony that I quoted is... more
Doctor Parnia did. That's why he conducted AWARE. — SES, Tue Nov 28 1:07pm

Supposedly, people left their bodies during their NDEs and floated above the people in the room. They reported looking down and seeing everything from above. If that was true, and if it really... more
AGAIN you base rejection on IGNORANCE and assumptions — jb, Tue Nov 28 1:46pm

Parnia can't be trusted. you can't be trusted.
Parnia can't be trusted? I agree. He's biased. — SES, Wed Nov 29 5:52am

You ALSO can't be trusted, because your judgment has been clouded by an irrational belief in superstitious nonsense, and an illogical desire to have all of the answers, and answering any questions... more
Parnia is the head of a huge team searching for Truth and u — jb, Thu Nov 30 7:40am

r searching for falsehood.
you lie about Parnia and me. (nm) — jb, Wed Nov 29 2:18pm

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