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Is that based on scripture? Or is it just an assumption?
Wed Nov 29, 2017 10:55am
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"god can do nothing for us if we think we are sufficient of ourselves, we have to enter into
His Kingdom through the door of destitution. As long as we are rich, possessed of anything in
the way of pride or independence, God cannot do anything for us. It is only when we get hungry
spiritually that we receive the Holy Spirit."

What does he mean by "rich"?

And "possessed of anything in the way of pride"?

Or "possessed of anything in the way of independence"?

If I live in a beautiful expensive home, all alone, with perfect independence, and have more money than I know what to do with, and I'm proud of the fact that I've done so well with my life....

...do I have to give all of that up before god will "do anything" for me?

Do I have to give away my home, give away my savings, and become dependent on someone else for my livelihood before god will "do anything" for me?

Why, if that's the case, would that be necessary?

Or is all of that coming from a non-literal standpoint? Like "rich" and "independent" and "proud" in a purely spiritual, imaginary sense, and not literally rich, or independent, or proud.

Is any of that backed up by scripture, or is this just the ramblings of someone who WANTS that to be the case?

That paragraph sounds like something a Theist would read, and be impressed with without actually trying to understand its meaning.

It's all gibberish to me.

  • and its message is suggested in the following quote. This quote is from the most popular book of daily devotions ever written, "My Utmost for His Highest" by Oswald Chambers. It is not a reflection... more
    • Response...Amadeus, Wed Nov 29 1:01pm
      One reason why' the world' can't understand Christianity and its message is suggested in the following quote. This quote is from the most popular book of daily devotions ever written, "My Utmost for... more
    • Is that based on scripture? Or is it just an assumption? — SES, Wed Nov 29 10:55am
      • that we have to be willing to do so if that's why God asks of us. It's about our relationship with and our dependence on God. And the following quote explains (and it is Scriptural) why it's all... more
        • Now, what does THAT mean?SES, Wed Nov 29 11:58am
          "The meaning is not that we have to give up everything, only that we have to be willing to do so if that's ["what"?] God asks of us." So then for a non-believer, this paragraph is meaningless.... more
          • ....god will "do anything for you", and NOT something that god may ASK you to do before he'll do anything for you: "As long as we are rich, possessed of anything in the way of pride or independence,... more
            • Of course it doesn't.Shadow, Wed Nov 29 12:57pm
              You are not spiritually hungry. You are self satisfied, self made, proud man. You have had opportunities to inquire more about God from a sincere heartfelt need, but that is not your choice. You have ... more
              • You are not spiritually hungry. You have had opportunities to inquire more about [insert the name of any deity that has ever existed here] from a sincere heartfelt need, but that is not your choice.... more
                • Some have Spiritual experiences like NDE or listening to a preacher and are converted. God is NOT LIMITED.
                • No it is not.shadow, Wed Nov 29 1:39pm
                  The other gods do not make the promises and do not deliver on them, period. No lost sleep when what you believe is what you know and experience. Once you've a real relationship with God, no one can... more
                  • Of course it is.SES, Wed Nov 29 1:56pm
                    "You have had opportunities to inquire more about God from a sincere heartfelt need. You have no way of knowing what that has already cost you or what it will cost you in the future. You have no way... more
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