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Amadeus
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Wed Nov 29, 2017 1:01pm
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One reason why' the world' can't understand Christianity and its message is suggested in the following quote. This quote is from the most popular book of daily devotions ever written, "My Utmost for His Highest" by Oswald Chambers. It is not a reflection from cultish beliefs, or from a small minority of Christians, but from a Biblically sound Christian.

That judgment is, of course, your opinion. Not that it is invalid. Also, the value one should place on being "Biblically sound" is also a matter of your opinion. Again, I'm not disputing your opinion in saying so. I am merely pointing out that while you may think you are establishing the value of the position you are about to state, you really aren't. You're just offering us something you like, something you find useful and relevant. That, in and of itself, is a good thing.

Often when "the world" talks about what they perceive as Christianity, it is a bastardization, not the real thing. But the real thing is found in the pages of the Bible. Just as bank tellers study authentic bills, not forged ones, to learn the 'real', the same is true in learning about Christianity.

That's an opinion. Given the nature of how the Bible was put together, of the very concept of the canonization of scripture and of spiritual authority among humans, I find that opinion very questionable. However, let's go on.

It is learned from "The Word." And this piece beautifully written confirms "The Word.":

You conflate the Word with the Bible. Many Christians do. Not all.

“We have to realize that we cannot earn or win anything from God; we must either receive it as a gift or do without it. The greatest blessing spiritually is the knowledge that we are destitute; until we get there Our Lord is powerless. He can do nothing for us if we think we are sufficient of ourselves, we have to enter into His Kingdom through the door of destitution. As long as we are rich, possessed of anything in the way of pride or independence, God cannot do anything for us. It is only when we get hungry spiritually that we receive the Holy Spirit. The gift of the essential nature of God is made effectual in us by the Holy Spirit, He imparts to us the quickening life of Jesus, which puts the “beyond” within, and immediately “the beyond”
has come within, it rises up to “the above,” and we are lifted into the domain where Jesus lives. (John 3:5)”

King James Bible
"Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God."

If you view God as a being that is essentially good, and a being that chooses goodness, I am not sure how this idea lines up with the concept above. Often, the analogy of a parent is used to help us understand God. What good parent wants their child destitute and only then will assist the child? What parent wants their child to lack pride and independence before the parent will step in and do for the child rather than teaching the child to do for themselves? Parents do for their children whatever is needed, but parents want their children to learn and grow. Parents do not want their children to be hungry, but to be well-nourished.

In the spirit of this analogy, I see a frustrated God who watches as believers bemoan their weakness and inability, refusing to try, assured by their pastors that they will fail. I see a God who watches as believers bury what they've been made responsible for so that they can dig it up later to give it back without seeking to take it and turn it into more through their own effort. I see a God who wants us to choose goodness, to follow in the footsteps and examples we have, to do our best and to not dissemble about someone else doing it through us. It has no value if that is the case. It has no purpose if that is the case.

At the end, I am amused by the quote that closes your post - John 3:5 :

"Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God."

That same passage, however, goes on to include information that is often ignored John 3:5-8 :

Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again. The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.

That which is born of the flesh is flesh. When you are born of the flesh, you are made of flesh. Like you, me, the person next to you. Meat people. That which is born of the spirit is spirit. At this point, none of us are made of spirit. We are all still made of flesh. As such, we cannot enter into the Kingdom (as per verse 5). In case you didn't fully understand it, Jesus goes on to describe what those who are born of the spirit are like. They are like the wind. You know the wind is there, you can hear it, but you can't see it. It's invisible. Just like those born of the spirit. Us meat people are not invisible.

Why does it amuse me? Because your post is about why the world can't understand Christianity, and it's punctuated by a passage that most of Christianity doesn't seem to understand. LOL...

In any event, the world understands Christianity just fine. And that's okay. It doesn't make Christianity any less special.

Amadeus

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