Sprout
Depends....
Thu Nov 8, 2018 1:25pm
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Spend 35K on a domestic sports car, and then add 30K of track oriented performance upgrades...

When talking about taking a car and modifying it for track performance, which is what Tesla did, it isn't really unreasonable to consider other cars that are also modified for track use.

I don't think it is reasonable to limit competition to NON-track modified cars.

  • Don't need them.PureStevil, Thu Nov 8 12:06pm
    $64k is the entry point for all you need to get the Track Mode. the options beyond that are getting a different paint color, different interior color, and autopilot software option. none of them... more
    • Depends.... — Sprout, Thu Nov 8 1:25pm
      • I'm not sure you're aware when you talk about the modifications Tesla made to this car, what the extent of those mods where. From the tone of your post it seems you think they were more significant... more
      • Aftermarket upgrades....KR, Thu Nov 8 3:57pm
        ...not factory. This is a factory option. The Ford GT350 is still slower than the base model Tesla Model 3. Plus muscle cars handle like crap.
        • Think about things like Roush Mustangs. If we only want to limit it to show cars like the GT-350, we end up picking vehicles where there is a HUGE price premium based on the "wow" factor. I'm simply... more
          • $70k to spend for the fastest track toy?Poppet, Fri Nov 9 10:37am
            Why, a used D or C sports racer like a Stohr or suchlike and a pickup and trailer to get it to the track. Forty grand or less worth of superbike-powered sports racer that will absolutely eviscerate... more
            • I was presuming one wished to remainSprout, Fri Nov 9 11:29am
              street legal in the interest of keeping the comparison somewhat apples-to-apples with another street legal vehicle. If I had 70K to spend on something that I could drive to the track, play for a... more
              • Oh, I figured...just messing around!Poppet, Fri Nov 9 4:19pm
                Most drivers would want to spend a fair amount of track time in a road car before trying to ump into something like a Stohr, anyway. "Momentum cars" with insane downforce are something you work up... more
          • It's not the fastest.PureStevil, Fri Nov 9 8:23am
            They're definitely limiting the scope of what they are comparing to to a degree, but it's a generous and absolutely more than fair cherry pick. If they live up to their ambitions, it's the roadster... more
            • I'm just reminding folks to compareSprout, Fri Nov 9 8:34am
              apples to apples... I certainly recognize that it is a legitimate marketing tool to carefully pick the products and characteristic of that your product line excels in when doing marketing... more
        • Off the top of my head...Sprout, Fri Nov 9 5:19am
          Take a basic V-8 Mustang or Camaro, which can be had in the 30K price range. Then add another 30K of performance upgrades. That puts the owner in at equal to or less than the cost of that particular... more
          • Okay, cool...Poppet, Fri Nov 9 10:33am
            The Camaro 1SS is the least expensive V8 model, as far as I can tell, and i's $37K (great performance-to-cost ratio, given its stock 455bhp and decent handling). I have no doubt you could make it a... more
            • It's been a while since I shopped cars...Sprout, Fri Nov 9 11:37am
              About 6years ago I test drove a BMW 330i with some factory performance upgrades. The dealer wanted about 40k for the car. I imagine with another 20K to spend, that car could have been a SCREAMER and... more
        • Is the Sense8 survey from Netflix for real?PureStevil, Thu Nov 8 4:27pm
          Saw something on reddit in the last couple hours saying the SciFi branch of Netflix was doing a survey about a possible season 3. Have you heard anything about it?
          • I can't tell.Poppet, Thu Nov 8 6:16pm
            I only had time for a glance, and I couldn't tell if it was "for realsies" Neflix or some sort of fan thing. I'll look further...'coz I so want it to be real.
            • I haven't done all the checking yet.PureStevil, Fri Nov 9 8:26am
              I want it desperately, but the fact that this isn't running through a netflix branded survey makes me feel like it's less than for real. Feels sketchy.
              • It's just a Change.org petition.Poppet, Fri Nov 9 10:34am
                I signed it, of course...but it's nothing to do with Netflix in any official capacity. =( #IAmAlsoAWe
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