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Trish
I never got that either
Sat Nov 10, 2018 1:48pm
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from anyone who discusses FAITH. From the outset, you cannot prove things of faith. I will tell you what I believe but separate that distinctly from what is provable. I believe in ghosts, for example. Can't prove them. I can share all kinds of people's subjective experiences - still doesn't prove them.

Does it bother me that ghosts may not exist? No.

Do I need to rail day in and day out about how this verse, that article in the paper, or Aunt May's amazing full-bodied manifestation? No. It is my belief. One that some others share, but a belief nonetheless.

Your manifestations are like your god — Ennui, Sat Nov 10 1:16pm

Not proven to exist. It is very easy to make such claims. Proving them is an entirely different kettle of fish. Why you have such a hard time accepting that these are beliefs is beyond me. It's no... more

NO, Manifestations can be proven DIRECTLY but you won't — jb, Sat Nov 10 2:06pm

do the investigating that I did so you are lost and blame me! Baha'u'llah gave you the duty to do the investigation and you aren't doing it. You want me to prove it to you and that requires volumes.
Re: NO, Manifestations can be proven DIRECTLY but you won't — Ennui, Sat Nov 10 7:49pm

Blame you? For what exactly? I disagree with you. I really don't give a hoot what Baha'u'llah demanded. I never even heard of him till I came here and read some of your posts. It is not my job to... more
and that is impossible of course — Trish, Sun Nov 11 5:40am

we return to the faith vs. fact / and subjective interpretation
Read the books. (nm) — jb, Sun Nov 11 6:57am

Re: and that is impossible of course — Ennui, Sun Nov 11 6:42am

Which really isn't a big deal. Not everything is known. Humans have their beliefs. I don't know of any human that doesn't have a belief or two. It's part of the human experience. And it's fine. I... more
me either EXCEPT — Trish, Sun Nov 11 8:13am

1. when they try to put those beliefs into some sort of government or legal framework 2. when they claim to have the whole truth (when theologians over thousands of years didn't have it) and consider ... more
There are reasons people didn't know over thousands of yrs. — jb, Sun Nov 11 8:51am

but now we know but you have to read the books to find the answers and that takes time and patience and the desire to know.
Read thousands of pages... (nm) — jb, Sun Nov 11 7:03am

I DID, i read thousands of pages to find the answers, i was — jb, Sun Nov 11 8:53am

not born knowing.
How many pages you read has no meaning — Ennui, Sun Nov 11 1:22pm

if you read fables. The substance of your reading material is highly, highly important. If you read nonsense, that is what you will know. Nonsense.
I don't read fables or nonsensense. (nm) — jb, Sun Nov 11 1:25pm

I'm beginning to wonder if incessantly insulting people — Sir Real, Sun Nov 11 5:02am

and raising human obnoxiousness to heights never before achieved is an essential Spiritual experience for bahais.
Dear Sir — Trish, Sun Nov 11 5:43am

warn us of such posts when drinking coffee LOL
I can't tell you what your job is but Baha'u'llah did what — jb, Sun Nov 11 4:29am

ever you heard of or not. You deny God, God cannot be known directly but Baha'u'llah can be. But, you don't care, you'd rather be wrong than read a book.
Baha'u'llah is dead — Ennui, Sun Nov 11 6:48am

Ouija boards don't work. It's a game. He can't be known. Reading what someone else wrote about him, or even what he wrote, is not the same thing as being there and knowning him. You have NO first... more
you are being generous — Trish, Sun Nov 11 9:25am

with even 2nd hand. One of the interesting things about research is that you realize even first source information can be slanted (you know that phrase that history is written by the victors). Thus... more
But you don't know Bab'i or Baha'is and our commitment to — jb, Sun Nov 11 9:39am

the Truth.
Everybody has a Soul,i have seen His Soul and His Son's Sou (nm) — jb, Sun Nov 11 9:01am

Imagination, hallucinations, dreams, — Ennui, Sun Nov 11 1:26pm

wishful thinking. . . . I have no idea which. Dead is dead. . . done and buried. Never to be seen again. Of the past. Not around anymore. Death is most eternal.
Re: Imagination, hallucinations, dreams, — Anonymous, Sun Nov 11 2:26pm

Imagination, is not visual or auditory for me. hallucinations, are bizarre, not of Manifestations dreams, are during sleep, these were visions "more real than real." wishful thinking. . . .your... more
How do yo know what i know? (nm) — jb, Sun Nov 11 7:01am

Talking to dead people are you? (nm) — Ennui, Sun Nov 11 1:23pm

They talk to me. (nm) — jb, Sun Nov 11 1:26pm

Reality check: you, sir, have a problem. — Ennui, Sun Nov 11 1:28pm

Dead people most certainly do NOT talk.
Which is more insane? — Sir Real, Sun Nov 11 3:07pm

Believing that one has been commanded (by a dog, no less) to kill? "He reported that a dog spoke to him, channeling a 6,000-year-old man named Sam whom he sometimes identified with Sam Carr, a... more
I remember the Son of Sam case — Ennui, Sun Nov 11 5:16pm

Creepy as hell before he was IDed and captured. Read this thread. It is short. The question and reply was posted on a public board. Confidentiality therefore can not be claimed. Make of it what you... more
One could make a pretty good case for the notion — Sir Real, Sun Nov 11 9:12pm

that the dog was Berkie's "Manifestation". LOL Considering that the replying poster in the thread that you linked virtually identified himself as a spoofer by using the all-caps I.D. "JB", and... more
Mental Telepathy is used not words. (nm) — jb, Sun Nov 11 2:19pm

I don't care if they talk to you — Ennui, Sun Nov 11 4:39pm

using smoke signals, ouija boards, tea leaves, morse code, twitter, text messages . . . Dead people do NOT talk.
SOULS COMMUNICATE by all kinds of means. (nm) — jb, Sun Nov 11 4:56pm

I never got that either — Trish, Sat Nov 10 1:48pm
It IS PROVEABLE, but you have to do the research or remain — jb, Sat Nov 10 2:13pm

in the dark. Many of us have done the research and found the objective proofs but you don't want objective proofs, you want to deny! And you want to lecture me about beliefs. You have no idea what we ... more

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