Jan Bailey
Hermopolis block showing male child
Fri Jul 9, 2010 19:48

Hi Kim

I have had two independent people look at your reference:
"G. Roeder, Amarna-Reliefs aus Hermopolis: Ausgrabungen der Deutschen Hermopolis-Expedition in Hermopolis 1929-1939", ed. R. Hanke,Pelizaeus-Museum zu Hildesheim, Wissenschaftliche Veröffentlichung 6(Hildesheim 1969)

You say:
" It shows a male child on an adult lap, and (probably) the head of another child, in the usual Amarna family scene style, and is very fragmentary. The theory is that the other child is almost certainly one of Nefertiti's
daughters, and that as all other depictions of such family groups show exclusively children of Nefertiti, this male child must also be hers." (i.e TutankhAten)

From what publication did you get this reference as to the piece being attributed to Nefertiti with a son?

The Amarna experts that I have contacted have no knowledge of this piece being interpreted in this respect.

The Google translation of the article (so a little strange English) does not mention two children or a male child at all and says:
Roeder on page 39 two blocks 42 and 432/VIII C :
""... the inscriptions run to the King and the daughter,
were presented without a person between them. Titles
(Width of the line 18 cm, 11 cm of the cartouche) : "... Lord of the crowns (Ah-en-Aten) ... . Vertical lines (Width 12 cm first, then 13-14 cm) Daughter of the King of [his body], ... Anches-en-pa-[Aten] ... born of the [Great] wife of the king [Nefertiti] ... . From the series of per?
individuals and from the size of the font may be a special tribute to Anches-en-pa-Aton, probably as a successor to the throne.""

Looks like a false lead.

  • re: Hermopolis BlockKim Sargerson, Fri Jul 2 18:56
    Hi Jan It is my understanding that these blocks are published in "G. Roeder, Amarna-Reliefs aus Hermopolis: Ausgrabungen der Deutschen Hermopolis-Expedition in Hermopolis 1929–1939", ed. R. Hanke,... more
    • Hermopolis block showing male child — Jan Bailey, Fri Jul 9 19:48
      • Joe some assistance pleaseKim Sargerson, Wed Jul 21 12:53
        Hi Joe Jan Bailey has questioned the source of the reference to a Hermopolis block showing a male child. I have checked my own notes and I do not find any reference to an article - I first read about ... more
        • Re: Joe some assistance pleaseJoe Baker, Thu Jul 22 07:39
          Hi Kim Apology for writing 43-VIIIC it is actually 433/VIII C. I have this information from an old post of the French Egyptologists Marc Gabolde which he sent to the original but now defunct Amarna... more
          • block 433/VIIICJan Bailey, Tue Jul 27 02:23
            Hi I now have an image of block 433/VIIIC, as well as the other images from Heliopolis. (I can send off line to you Joe) Sorry, but it would take a whole lot of imagination to make the squiggles into ... more
            • Re: block 433/VIIICJoe Baker, Thu Jul 29 07:04
              Hi Jan Thanks for the picture. Well I for one can not make much out of it. Presumably those who have done extensive work on the style of royal depictions in the Amarna pictures can make more sense... more
            • block 433/VIIICJan Bailey, Wed Jul 28 03:26
              whoops, of course I mean Hermopolis!
          • re: Joe some assistance pleaseKim Sargerson, Thu Jul 22 12:11
            Hi Joe Many thanks for the correct plate reference. I also thank you for re-posting Gabolde's thoughts on this, which (to me) make perfect sense. Although it is not explicit any where that Baketaten... more
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