Tory
Re: Nap is not Nip
Sun Dec 18, 2011 14:29
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I have been polite up to now but I have to say that, Tory, you are way out of your depth here. Where is it written "Naph-ḫu-ru-ri-ias." If somebody transliterated that, then they have a lot of explaining to do.

I point out that Naph-ḫu-ru-ri-ias does not exist, yet you will find it on the web used by people who should know better, and I'm out of my depth?

There is no "ph" in Akkadian cuneiform In the word "nfr", the final /r/ was not vocalized--no more than is the "r" in "brother" in a posh British accent. It was vocalized "nafe", becoming "Nap" in Akkadian writing...

I guess repeating what I already said as if you said it means I must be in my depth. "Nfr" becomes /Nap/ or /Nam/ in Akkadian, right -- that is what I said.

Yes, and so are /p/ and /b/ interchangeable--all the labials are, as I've written about 10 times here now. And that's why "nip, nib, and pip" all amount to "nb"

Wrong. There is not a single example of the "Nb" element becoming /Ni-ip/ or /Pi-ip/ in Akkadian regardless that /p/ and /b/ are labials. EVERY SINGLE TIME Nebmaare is translitered into Akkadian it is never Nipmureya and it is never Pip/Bipmureya no matter who is writing to Egypt.

Tory

  • Nap is not NipMarianne Luban, Sun Dec 18 14:01
    Tory: "I have seen the imaginary transliteration Naph-ḫu-ru-ri-iaš offered by people who really ought to know better. There is no such thing as Naph-ḫu-ru-ri-ias. The "nfr" element does... more
    • Re: Nap is not Nip — Tory, Sun Dec 18 14:29
      • Re: Nap is not NipMarianne Luban, Sun Dec 18 19:12
        Tory: "Wrong. There is not a single example of the "Nb" element becoming /Ni-ip/ or /Pi-ip/ in Akkadian regardless that /p/ and /b/ are labials. EVERY SINGLE TIME Nebmaare is translitered into... more
        • Re: Nap is not NipTory, Sun Dec 18 20:51
          I wrote: There is not a single example of the "Nb" element becoming /Ni-ip/ or /Pi-ip/ in Akkadian regardless that /p/ and /b/ are labials. EVERY SINGLE TIME Nebmaare is translitered into Akkadian it ... more
          • re: Nap is not NipMarianne Luban, Sun Dec 18 21:33
            Tory: "No one on EEF will say Egyptian "nb" becomes Pip or Bip in Akkadian transliteration. And no one will say there are examples of this because there are zero examples. The /n/ is not a labial and ... more
            • Neb is never Pip, everTory, Mon Dec 19 04:49
              No one on EEF will say Egyptian "nb" becomes Pip or Bip in Akkadian transliteration. And no one will say there are examples of this because there are zero examples. Ask anyway--unless you're afraid... more
              • Neb is never Pip, ever--SAYS WHO?Marianne Luban, Mon Dec 19 20:36
                Not anybody who knows anything about linguistics. "n" can be interchangeable with "b" and "p"--easily. What about that king in Manetho's Dynasty II. He is called "Binothris"--but it's actually... more
                • Neb is never Pip, ever--SAYS WHO?Marianne Luban, Mon Dec 19 20:48
                  Shangrila is a modern reference to Shambhala, a mythical kingdom in Tibetan Buddhist tradition, which was sought by Eastern and Western explorers and inspired a novel by a man named Hilton. Names are ... more
                  • Re: Neb is never Pip, ever--SAYS WHO?Tory, Mon Dec 19 21:00
                    Neb is never Pip, ever--SAYS WHO? Says every single foreign ruler who ever addressed a letter to Amenhotep III. That's who. Shangrila is a modern reference to Shambhala, a mythical kingdom in Tibetan ... more
                    • Re: Neb is never Pip, ever--SAYS WHO?Marianne Luban, Tue Dec 20 10:11
                      Marianne Neb is never Pip, ever--SAYS WHO? Tory: "Says every single foreign ruler who ever addressed a letter to Amenhotep III. That's who." Are you trying to say that "Piphurrias" is a reference to... more
              • Nib is PipMarianne Luban, Mon Dec 19 10:23
                Marianne: "If the king who had just died as mentioned in the annals of Mursili could not have been Tutankhamun on a linguistic basis, a long line of language experts would never have assumed... more
                • Nib is PipIan Onvlee, Mon Dec 19 15:55
                  Marianne, Try this: start saying "Nib" over and over again as fast as you can. I guarantee it'll soon turn into "Pip". Hahaha. True. There goes every linguistic theory out the window. But its just a... more
                • Re: Nib is PipTory, Mon Dec 19 11:09
                  Try this: start saying "Nib" over and over again as fast as you can. I guarantee it'll soon turn into "Pip". It's like I said, "nb" only becomes Pip in your imagination not in any attested Akkadian... more
                  • Re: Re: Nib is PipKim Sargerson, Tue Dec 20 11:53
                    Hi all I actually tried Marianne's suggestion of "start saying "Nib" over and over again as fast as you can." Several times. I never got "Pip". However, perhaps as interestingly, I got (a) saying it... more
                    • Re: Re: Nib is PipTory, Wed Dec 21 05:51
                      I actually tried Marianne's suggestion of "start saying "Nib" over and over again as fast as you can." Several times. I never got "Pip". I never did either. But give /m/ or "Im" a go. I find it... more
                  • Re: Nib is PipMarianne Luban, Mon Dec 19 13:49
                    Marianne: "Try this: start saying "Nib" over and over again as fast as you can. I guarantee it'll soon turn into "Pip"." Tory: "It's like I said, "nb" only becomes Pip in your imagination not in any... more
                    • Re: Pip is not NbTory, Mon Dec 19 20:45
                      Try this: start saying "Nib" over and over again as fast as you can. I guarantee it'll soon turn into "Pip". It's like I said, "nb" only becomes Pip in your imagination not in any attested Akkadian... more
                    • Re: Nib is PipIan Onvlee, Mon Dec 19 16:10
                      Marianne says: Look, these are writing mistakes on the part of foreigners--but there is no one that could possibly match except nb-xprw-re Tutankhamun. But Marianne, by the same token you deny any... more
            • re: Nap is not NipIan Onvlee, Mon Dec 19 01:29
              Marianne, On a linguistic basis I would assume Dakhamunzu to be Ankhesenamun, but there are some nagging problems with this, the same as those with Meritaten as Dakhamunzu. She was the latest wife of ... more
              • re: Nap is not NipMarianne Luban, Mon Dec 19 10:08
                Ian: "There is no room for her after the death of Tutankhamun, since she was immediately married to Ay after the death of Tutankhamun. " How do you know? On account of that faience ring? That ring... more
                • re: Nap is not NipIan Onvlee, Mon Dec 19 15:39
                  Hi Marianne, How do you know? On account of that faience ring? No, I know nothing about a faience ring, but on account of lunar dates, the overall relative chronological timeframe, available... more
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