Tory
Re: Pip is not Nb
Mon Dec 19, 2011 20:45
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Try this: start saying "Nib" over and over again as fast as you can. I guarantee it'll soon turn into "Pip".

It's like I said, "nb" only becomes Pip in your imagination not in any attested Akkadian transliteration of "nb". And if the only way to get "nb" to turn into Pip is by repeating Nib over and over again as fast as you can, which doesn't work, then I think its really time we move on.

It works for me! It's an experiment that shows that "n" can be interchangeable with "P" as well as "b".

Anything will work when it is confined to just your imagination. And this is not about /p/ interchanging with /b/ and/or /n/. Nice try. This is about attested examples of how Egyptian "nb" WAS transliterated into Akkadian. Again and again, Pip is simply not among the list of examples, that is unless we climb inside your imagination. The examples are Nib, Nim, Im, Mim, i.e. /n/ stays /n/ or it interchanges with /m/ leaving Mim, or it falls off completely leaving Im. That's it for "nb".

Look, these are writing mistakes on the part of foreigners--but there is no one that could possibly match except nb-xprw-re Tutankhamun.

Nib, Nim, Im, Mim are not writing mistakes.

It certainly can't be an error for "nfr-xprw-ra" or "anx-xprw-ra"--that's for sure.

This is not your area. Helck does not say Ni-ip is an error for nfr. And I'm not saying Pi-ip is an error for anx.

Does anybody know the Hittite phrase that comes just before the mention of the king of Egypt to whom the widow was married?

Can you be more specific about the phrase you have in mind? Then I will tell you what is the cuneiform text.

Tory


  • Re: Nib is PipMarianne Luban, Mon Dec 19 13:49
    Marianne: "Try this: start saying "Nib" over and over again as fast as you can. I guarantee it'll soon turn into "Pip"." Tory: "It's like I said, "nb" only becomes Pip in your imagination not in any... more
    • Re: Pip is not Nb — Tory, Mon Dec 19 20:45
      • Re: Pip is not NbMarc Gabolde, Fri Jun 1 08:35
        Hi Tory, Just few words for the discussion about Pip/Nip/Nib/Nap which I posted today in another discussion on ANECF concerning the king Nephers˘phris known from the Suidas Byzantine Encyclopaedia.... more
        • Re: Pip is not NbTory Thorpe, Fri Jun 1 10:34
          Hi Marc You wrote: For cuneiform Nip- as indisputable and viable alternative way to transcribe Egyptian nfr... You will not find me in disagreement with this in any of my remarks on this or other... more
          • Niphururiria againMarc Gabolde, Fri Jun 1 16:54
            Dear Tory, Jared MILLER, Hittitologist, in his ź Amarna Age Chronology and the Identity of Nibḫururiya in the Light of a Newly Reconstructed Hittite Text ╗, Altorientalische Forschungen 34... more
            • Re: Niphururiria againTory Thorpe, Fri Jun 1 17:04
              Dear Marc I would still want to see the Akkadian text of EA 9. NIP and NIB are not written exactly the same way in Akkadian cuneiform. That is not true. Miller is probably making small errors here.... more
              • EA 9, 1Marc Gabolde, Sat Jun 2 06:16
                Dear Tory, I must add that the index of Bezold & Budge, p. 154, gives : Ni-ip-ḫu-ur-ri-ri-ya for the royal name on tablet Bezold & Budge n░ 2, 1 (EA 9, 1). Regards
                • Re: EA 9, 1Tory Thorpe, Sat Jun 2 09:52
                  Hi Marc Thank you for these links. I must say, archive.org is a wonderful online resource. I'm now searching it for A. Ungnad's article "Eponymen" in RlA 2 (1938) but it does not seem that... more
                  • EA 9Marc Gabolde, Sat Jun 2 10:23
                    Thanks Tory for explainations. So Nip- or Nib- ? for EA 9. As you may suspect, I disagree concerning your identification of Niphururia. Regards Marc
              • EA 9Marc Gabolde, Sat Jun 2 06:00
                Hi Tory, Two links that may help: Photos of EA 9 (BM 29785) at :... more
          • NiphururiiaMarc Gabolde, Fri Jun 1 11:44
            Dear Tory, Only few books available on my desk, however, concerning EA 9,1 : Moran gives NiBḫurrereya, but Knudtzon I, p. 88, gives ni-ip-ḫu-ur-ri-ri-ia, R.S. Hess, Amarna Personal Names, ... more
            • Re: NiphururiiaTory Thorpe, Fri Jun 1 16:39
              Dear Marc Well it cannot be both NIB and NIP in EA 9, so I would very much like to know who is telling the truth. I would know who if I had access to the cuneiform text. Maybe someone does and can... more
    • Re: Nib is PipIan Onvlee, Mon Dec 19 16:10
      Marianne says: Look, these are writing mistakes on the part of foreigners--but there is no one that could possibly match except nb-xprw-re Tutankhamun. But Marianne, by the same token you deny any... more
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