Ian Onvlee
God's name written 30,000 years ago?
Sat Mar 31, 2012 03:34
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In my opening text concerning the above question I referred to the article at http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2012/mar/11/cave-painting-symbols-language-evolution in which it became clear that people in France in 30,000 BC definitely already had a common writing code, which had found its way to Spain around 13,500 BC, and we may suggest that the Mas d'Azilian pebble script in Spain circa 11,000 BC may have evolved from this script form. There was one intriguing set of recurring symbols in the exact same order that looked like the following:

|| ^ ||| X ||


This set of symbols was also found written on a necklace made of the teeth of red dear of a young woman in Spain, 13,500 BC, grouped as || ^ on one tooth, followed by ||| on another tooth, followed by X|| on a third tooth, thus in the exact same order:

|| ^ ||| X||


This suggested to me that it was regarded a very holy name or word, which would most likely have been the name of their great supreme god, thus simply God to them. That the Cro-Magnon's were already religious is not doubted, and that they worshipped at least one god is not doubted either. There is no evidence of any polythism in these societies. They actually seem to be monotheistic and only perform a kind of shamanistic dreamtime rituals to contact their supreme god. In view of the necklace, at least in 13,500 BC, the red dear may have been regarded sacred to this supreme god.

I did not claim anything yet, but had simply put the question to myself I now share with you:

Is it possible that these five signs were the name of God?

And why not? The name of God was certainly not confined to the Hebrews, Egyptians or Mesopotamians on any other culture. All cultures up to the present day have had their own name for God, their own supreme god. Interestingly many of these names for God have cross-cultural similarities, which may indicate from which "nest" they came.

I am however deliberately aiming at a comparison with the name YHWH, known as the Tetragrammaton which supposedly referred solely to the Hebrew god, and no god of any other culture. This view may even be right, and a comparitive study of the set of five Paleolithic signs mentioned above seems to suggest that the ultimate Hebrew roots and this particular name for God, from Adam onward, may actually lay in Southern France, 30,0000 BC.

Of course, that may sound strange and far-fetched when first heard of, but follow my line of reasoning below:

The above five signs are not only a clear example of a palimsest (readable in both directions) but also remind us immediately of the Hebrew Tetragrammaton YHWH, which would also immediately become a palimsest of five symbols if the Yod is simply repeated at the end, symbolizing a new beginning to complete the Tetragrammaton and make it a Pentagrammaton:

Compare

Y H W H Y

|| ^ ||| X ||


or separated like on the necklace:

YH W HY

|| ^ ||| X||



the combination of the first two signs, || ^, would then be just another way of writing Yah, the short form of YHWH[Y].

This is surely a significant discovery, one which relates directly to the origins and authenticity of the stories found in the Torah part of the Bible, whether written in Hebrew or not!

So let us compare the word YHWHY more closely with the Paleolithic Pentagrammaton: If Y is || and W is ||| then H here is both ^ and X. If so, we may truely have here the Hebrew name YHWHY for God written in the various French caves in 30,000 BC and even on a necklace of a young woman in Spain in 13,500 BC, as the precursor of all alphabetic systems hereafter, and it would also explain why the Mas d'Azilian pebble script has so many similarities with Phoenician and Old-Hebrew script.

Additionally, it would explain the trail of finds of the Mas d'Azilian pebble script along the route from Spain to the Atlas and over the Sahara, the latest of which is datable to around 3500 BC, which would naturally end up via Egypt (2000 BC) in the Sinai as the so-called Sinai script, and eventually becoming known as Phoenician and Old-Hebrew script.

In all cases it then must have been an alphabetic script if the above equation can be substantiated. We would then have to agree that the French cavemen of 30,000 BC were so intelligent as to have invented the very alphabet we have always credited to the Phoenicians. It is therefore also significant that the total number of such symbols found in all the caves all over the world is only 26 (...28-30?), which is only usable as a script if it was indeed alphabetic, and perhaps even had consonants, of which it wasn't yet stripped. Perhaps with this study I have even layed the foundation of how to decipher this script, by starting off with the above equation.

I am therefore curious what anyone could possibly have against this unique idea. I deliberately did not state it as a fact (yet), which I would first have to substantiate, but I did question myself about it and decided to share it with you all.

I really believe that the knowledge of the past as displayed in the first few chapters of the Torah is a genuine piece of prehistorical memory which goes back to circa 30,000 BC at the very least. I am certainly not the first to have thought of this era as the actual time of the Biblical Adam and Eve. I see here a tangible piece of evidence that proves the case in a unique way, and this may just be the beginning.

So I hope everybody has already first read the article and then come back here, so I can explain some more.

We now already know two things:

1. Cro-magnons in France in 30,0000 BC definitely had a symbolic means of writing with simple geometrical figures
2. Cro-Magnons in France in 30,0000 BC definitely had a concept of the supreme god.

I add to this:

3. Their writing system could only have been alphabetic, given the fact of only 26 symbols throughout France and the rest of the world have been found, while the caves are all infested with these symbols. Consistently recurring chains of these symbols therefore must be regarded as words.
4. Their writing system was akin to Old-Hebrew/Phoenician, and the romantic idea that "God" wrote Hebrew may not be too far fetched after all. This "God" may originally have been a powerful high-priest, king or shaman-artist of the Cro-Magnons world who resided in the community of some central cave, which I suggest was none other than the cave of Lascaux. This simply means that "God" wrote in an alphabetic system since at least 30,0000 BC.

Now of course it wasn't "God" or any god as we now think of these heavenly beings who was writing. That is a poetic and romantisized approach to the issue. But it is very well possible that after the disappearance of the last Cro-Magnons circa 8000 BC, the more modern (agricultural and warring) humans eventually started to look upon their ancestors, their Cro-Magnon teachers, their predecessors, as gods or angles who are now in heaven and whose spirits had become certain stars. I will leave that idea for later.

The name YHWHY therefore may have referred to a powerful and wise seeer, a person we may liken to the Egyptian god Aa Tauti, in his original baboon form, not his ibis form. It was Aa Tauti who according to the Egyptian myth told the gods to flee from their western habitat, upon which the Western mountain Manu perched, and go with the solar boat eastwards, because he predicted that this western habitat of the gods will be destroyed by a natural disaster within 500 years. So the gods went. They crossed the Apophis Sea in the solar boat and ended up at the Eastern mountain Bakkhau, though the pillars of Shu. On top of mount Bakkhau an shiny snake was seen. This can only be the Tropic of Cancer, which goes from the Atlas region over the top of the Hoggar, the High Atlas being Mount Manu. This thus also sounds like Henoch, in the book 1 Henoch, as he warns Noach to go and shelter between the three central mountains, which I identify as the three central mountains in the Tassili region in central North-Africa, of which the Hoggar is the beggist and most northern ond. "Noach" lived there for 600 years until the expected end of the destructive Flood. And indeed, the area between the three central mountains was not affected by the surrounding floodings in the numerous great depressions of North-Africa.

Since in this context the Flood can only have been the sudden and dramic rise of the ocean level at the end of the Last Ice Age, which indeed had a duration of about 600 years, namely from 9500 BC to 8850 BC, I must say that this period is definitely identical to the first 600 years of Noach's life, Noach himself being the symbol of the Flood, just as Osiris became the symbol of the Flood of the Nile himself.

Let's return to our Paleolithic Pentagrammaton

|| ^ ||| X ||

which made me think of the tetragrammaton YHWH.

If Yah is short for Yahweh or YHWH, then YHWH could just as well be short for YHWHY, thus forming a regular palimsest, which can be read both ways and therefore even circular, with say the Yod (God himself) on top (the heavens, the Northern Pole), the W (waters?, the Southern Pole), and the two H's in the East and West, signifying the horizons, Earth's limits:

Y
|
H----|----H
|
W


When this circle or heavenly cross with four pillars is opened to its linear form as a set of five letters, then the Yod needs to duplicate itself to indicate both beginning and end of the set, thus as the pentagrammaton YHWHY.

In the Pentagrammaton of 30,000 BC, the placement in a circle would look like the following:

||
|
X----|----^
|
|||


We can now suggest that the ^ may signify the East and sunrise, the beginning of the Day (perhaps a Creation Day), and that the X then must be the West and sunset, the end of the Day. This seems to me what the Six Biblical creation days is all about.

All holy oracles concerned with creation, wisdom and judgmentship, like the Urim and Thumim of Moses, the oracle of Delphi, the Chinese I Ching, the West-African I Fa, and even the Mayan Tsité (mais) oracle, use only two polar signs: one representing division, symbolized by two strokes (meaning all even numbers) or black pebbles/seeds, the other representing wholeness, symbolized by either three strokes or one stroke (meaning all odd numbers) or white/yellow/red pebbles/seeds, thus forming combinational mathematical patterns as the following:

1 stroke or double stroke: 2 types only
2 strokes or double strokes: 4 combinations only
3 strokes or double strokes: 8 combinations only
4 strokes or double strokes: 16 combinations only
5 strokes or double strokes: 32 combinations only,
6 strokes or double strokes: 64 combinations only, finished:

The 6 strokes here can be thought of as an allusion to the six days of creation when God finished creating. These six days were divided into two groups of three days. The 64 combinations are the exact number of the DNA code of all living beings on Earth and probably the universe, and which is simerlarly formed by triplets which emerged between the two strands of the double helix.

The Chinese system of 64 combinations is at least as old as 1250 BC but earlier systems seem to have existed since circa 2800-2000 BC, and may have originated in the turtleback cracks that were formed when heated, dating back to circa 4000-3000 BC. The Maya's too spoke of 64 creation elements, and so did the West-African I Fa, and in the Ramesside era circa 1200-1100 BC we encounter the division of the Zodiac in 64 so-called "Khents". We have no idea how old these other, related systems may be, but if they had a common origin it must have been before the Indians arrived in the America's which is suggested to be circa 25,000 BC, when the Bering Sea could have been crossed on foot.

In all these cultures an odd number of strokes signify male (Yang) energy, and an even number of strokes female (Yin) energy. While the Hebrew Yod is certainly male, but in this context that is only true only if placed in the circle with the end and beginning joined. But it will immediately become female if it divides itself into two Yods and forms a linear string with the other three symbols, a line, a word, text, script. We may liken this with the single strand of RNA, the mediator between the DNA double strand and the Amino-acids that make up our ... (forgot the English word here, sorry. Someone fill me in please).

In early Sumer we see rulers equipped with a circle and short staff in one hand, which may symbolize the same duality, but which also symbolize specific building tools, which on closer examination turns out to be a rope and a measuring stick, simular to the Chinese symbols of compass and triangulation square, in the hands of the first human couple, Fu Hsi (Lord of the East, holding the square) and Nu Gua (Lady of the West, holding the compass), who both reincarnated as the Chinese Noach and his wife, suviving on the back of a thousand year old Turtle and landing in China, "Middle/Navel of the Earth/World"). This is precisely the same story as landing on the Ararat! And this goes to show how easily names were simply changed but the stories remained the same.

In any case, all these oracles call this dynamic "Yin-Yang" system "the Word of God", and this could even be regarded as historically perfectly true if we could prove that the series of signs || ^ ||| X || are indeed identical to Y H W H Y, and thus the origin of the phonetic, Phoenician/Old-Hebrew writing system as well.

If so, then the ^ is clearly different from the X, thus the first H may originally have not been entirely identical to the second H in the name YHWH[Y]. I think that the first H actually sounded more like the Ch, and thus the combination HWH would indeed be an allusion to the great mother goddess Chawah (Eve) meaning "gift" or "life", enclosed and protected by the two Yods, which in 30,000 BC were likely originally two female gods, symbolizing the two trees in Eden, the tree of life and the tree of knowledsge, the Pleiades and the Hyades. Chawah herself then would stand for the nourishing Garden of Eden, or more likely the feeding land of Eden, Paradise itself, the great mother goddess and her two nurses, the two trees with their fruits being like "breasts", the Partriarchal El Shaddai.

In 30,0000 BC this is ultimately appropriate considering the apparent worship of the big fat mama goddesses, when apparently God was still regarded a woman. So it becomes clear that we have here God's name as a female in the matriarchal age, prior to the advent of the male god patriarchal age which most clearly must have begun around 12,000-8000 BC, during the great Weapon- and agricultural revolution, which seems to have started in the west of North Africa and moved east.

From the above I would transcribe the Pentagrammaton (and some associative meanings) as follows:

|| = Y (Northeast, upperworld, Tree of Knowledge, the snake)
^ = Ch/H (East)
||| = W (South, underworld)
X = H (West)
|| = Y (Northwest, upperworld, Tree of Life, the staff)

30,000 BC in the caves of Southern France!



Well, do I deserve an applause for making such an effort as this deep analysis of just five simple symbols or no?

This is of course still just a hypothesis in progress. But I think it's one worth investigating urther and more seriously. If this equation can be transposed on any of the other discovered recurring sets of symbols, we may even be able to decipher this script completely. Think of the rehabilitation the Hebrew Bible may uindergo if this indeed works as topnotch evidence concerning the antiquity of Biblical memory of the human past and origins. It would cause a landslide, that's for sure. Whole theories about the Bible being nothing but a late fabrication will land in the dustbin. There goes the Documentary theory, if this proves to be correct. Who knows more about these paleolithic symbols and sets of symbols?

Regards,
Ian

  • God's name written 30,000 years ago?Ian Onvlee, Sat Mar 31 01:23
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    • God's name written 30,000 years ago? — Ian Onvlee, Sat Mar 31 03:34
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            • Let us not be "grouse" about it!Ronald L. Hughes, Sun Apr 1 19:50
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              • Let us not be "grouse" about it!Ian Onvlee, Sun Apr 1 23:36
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                • You accuse? (J'cuse?, probably bad French))Ronald L. Hughes, Mon Apr 2 18:56
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                  • The Dove and the OwlIan Onvlee, Tue Apr 3 05:12
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                    • Owls and Doves!Ronald L. Hughes, Tue Apr 3 14:09
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