You are certainly right. The bird on a pole in the lowest part of Lascaux is not a hawk but another kind of bird resembling a pidgeon or dove. It is convenient to speak of a Hawk as it eventually became one in Egypt, but it's also a test to see if anyone is paying attention on this list. Congratulations. It's probably better to call it a "bird" on a pole. In any case it is the same icon as the bird on a pole in Egypt and I know of no other cave or site with this imagery. The combination with the dead stickman with erect penis and a similar birdhead, indicating his relationship with the bird, is also unique. The bird and the birdman can only be a representation of Sirius and Orion for a number of reasons. Together they represent father and son, in Egypt Osiris and Horus (Sopdet is the female form of Sirius, as wife of Orion; Sept is the male form).
In an article published in ‘Antiquity’, researchers Demorest Davenport and Michael A. Jochim have identified the bird as a male capercaillie grouse, which resembles a pidgeon or dove. They demonstrated that the characteristic supra-ocular comb of this species is shown on the beak of the bird itself and on the beak of the stick-figure (Demorest Davenport & Michael A. Jochim: ‘Antiquity’, 62, 1988, pp. 558-562).
They also pointed out that the stick-figure’s hands, though they look human at a superficial glance, only have four fingers each: ‘Four is the precise number of digits that a bird has. The replacement of each human hand with a four-fingered bird’s foot was a deliberate and indeed sophisticated ploy of the artist to make the image more bird-like… The humanoid is not a man and not a bird but a man/bird, if downed by the bison, apparently struck at the moment of transformation into a grouse.’ (ibid p. 561). On the other hand no toes are shown, which suggest that the man is wearing footware with even a slight upward curl, while lying fully naked.
Hi all Two questions: 1. Who says the first texts and myths - notably the Creation Story - could not have been written already 30,000 years ago in Southern France? 2. Was the recurring sequence of... more
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Not realy wanting to get into a dating arguement, I would just suggest for you to make a case concerning the "hawk" connection. I might suggest that the real bird mentioned and drawn was not the... more
Horus, was it really a hawk? Ian Onvlee,Sun Apr 1 16:27
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Ian, I was most disappointed in your last post, and I feel it was very rude and disappointing considering the respect I hold for your postings. Yes, you accuse me of saying something that is not... more
Dear Ian, Thanks for the reply, perhaps I sm too touchy, since my grand children refer to me as "Grumpy!" But your last post concerning both the "Dove" and the "Owl", gives an even clearer notiion of ... more
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Not a single soul interested in a decent discussion about the prehistory of Lascaux or the writings of the cave artists worldwide on this list? How much more disappointing can it get, while cave art... more
Hi Ian Sorry no earlier comment, but have been away... Question for you: the "connection" between Lascaux and Egypt seems very tenuous, both in terms of chronology and continuity of attestation. So:... more
Hi Kim, thanks for responding. This list seems to be dead for quite a while, and I think this topic, although quite new and therefore indeed in its childhood, is worth investigating and refining. I... more