You say: However, if one moved the scales of history forward, and looks at similar representations of "Birds" that are today believed to represent "Eagles", then one might well have a different opinion? But for you to represent these so called "ancient" images as nothing more than a "grouse" or a "DOVE", does implicate proto Christian dogma more than anything else. For example, numerous sources seem to indicate that these same "ancient" Egyptians were also considered to be proponents of "Vegitarianism!" Do you agree?
I really don't know what is eating you, but here you've lost me. Apart from whether or not we move the scales of history forward, the idea of the bird at Lascaux being a "grouse" or a "dove" has nothing to do with Christian dogma. It is simply an observation, which you and I can make ourselves as well. The beak of both the bird and the birdman has this specific comb that identifies the species of the bird. And there is absolutely nothing Christian about doves either. The dove was already for a long time a Greek symbol for the starcluster of the Pleiades, which were thought of as seven doves. One of the doves were chosen by Zeus to help guide the 50 Argonauts through the Clashing Rocks while manouvering their ship over dangerous flood waters. This story dates to at least as early as 1200 BC and has many simularities to the Biblical story of Noah sending the dove out of the Ark after seven days, to see if it was safe to leave the ark. This Noahite story too has nothing to do with Christian dogma. You should be more careful in what you assert. Know what you are talking about. Don't just scream around like a headless chicken without having studied a case in any depth.
Also, without notice you jump from the Lascaux bird to the Egyptian bird and then suddenly accuse me of turning the Egyptian bird into a dove as well, which I did not. You are the one doing that. And what on Earth has "Vegitarianism" to do with anything? Please stop waisting everybody's time and energy, and do your homework before jumping to any hasty conclusions.
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Let us not be "grouse" about it! — Ian Onvlee,Sun Apr 1 23:36
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