Kim Sargerson
Lascaux in Egypt
Tue Apr 10, 2012 10:11
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Hi Ian

Sorry no earlier comment, but have been away...

Question for you: the "connection" between Lascaux and Egypt seems very tenuous, both in terms of chronology and continuity of attestation. So: have there been any recent studies of the Atlas Mountains rock art (abundant for many different periods) which might "join the dots" in terms of any proposed migration of these styles / skills / ideas between Egypt and France? I confess my deep ignorance of this subject, so a pointer to any recent work e.g. on dating, or on coincidence of symbolism, would be helpful. Alternatively are there any other European regions in the Iberian peninsula or further east than Lascaux, to indicate a connection?

At present this evidence seems to be in its infancy as far as developed theories of population movement or cultural transmission go. Climate conditions in north Africa in the period 15,000 - 5,000 BC seem to be significantly more benign for human beings than 5,000 BC onward, but there does not seem to be yet a demonstrable connection between these cultures and the later proto-Egyptian Nile-based cultures, yet connections to the Mesopotamian cultures are established.

In other words, yes it is of interest, but how is it relevant to a forum devoted to historical chronology? Does the alphabet posited for Lascaux have any hope of decipherment? We can all trawl through mythology to find "confirmation" of Atlantis, of universal floods, of diasporas of peoples to distant places, of "ancient aliens" bestowing cultural advances on primitive peoples and so on, and I suspect many people on this forum will avoid such speculation as if it were the plague (include me in this!).

BTW - on a specific point, your pentagrammaton of "God" does not seem to be symmetrical i.e. the "name" does not read the same in both directions, whereas your extended tetragrammaton (YHVH+Y) does...

Regards

Kim

  • God's name written 30,000 years ago?Ian Onvlee, Sat Mar 31 01:23
    Hi all Two questions: 1. Who says the first texts and myths - notably the Creation Story - could not have been written already 30,000 years ago in Southern France? 2. Was the recurring sequence of... more
    • God's name written 30,000 years ago?Ian Onvlee, Sat Mar 31 03:34
      In my opening text concerning the above question I referred to the article at http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2012/mar/11/cave-painting-symbols-language-evolution in which it became clear that... more
      • Lascaux in Egypt - Part IIan Onvlee, Sat Mar 31 06:36
        Lascaux in Egypt? Sure, you'll say. First about the most recent dating of the Lascaux cave art. This is necessary, because many still think this cave dates no earlier than circa 15,000 BC, while... more
        • Horus, was it really a hawk?Ronald L. Hughes, Sun Apr 1 15:31
          Not realy wanting to get into a dating arguement, I would just suggest for you to make a case concerning the "hawk" connection. I might suggest that the real bird mentioned and drawn was not the... more
          • Horus, was it really a hawk?Ian Onvlee, Sun Apr 1 16:27
            Ronald, You are certainly right. The bird on a pole in the lowest part of Lascaux is not a hawk but another kind of bird resembling a pidgeon or dove. It is convenient to speak of a Hawk as it... more
            • Let us not be "grouse" about it!Ronald L. Hughes, Sun Apr 1 19:50
              Ian, what a wonderful reposte'" You do seem to have an answer for most everything, and thanks for your knowledge. However, if one moved the scales of history forward, and looks at similar... more
              • Let us not be "grouse" about it!Ian Onvlee, Sun Apr 1 23:36
                Hi Ronald, You say: However, if one moved the scales of history forward, and looks at similar representations of "Birds" that are today believed to represent "Eagles", then one might well have a... more
                • You accuse? (J'cuse?, probably bad French))Ronald L. Hughes, Mon Apr 2 18:56
                  Ian, I was most disappointed in your last post, and I feel it was very rude and disappointing considering the respect I hold for your postings. Yes, you accuse me of saying something that is not... more
                  • The Dove and the OwlIan Onvlee, Tue Apr 3 05:12
                    Dear Ronald, No offence meant. Perhaps I wasn't clear enough, so I'll try again. The identification of the Lascaux bird as being probably a pidgeon or a dove has absolutely nothing to do with... more
                    • Owls and Doves!Ronald L. Hughes, Tue Apr 3 14:09
                      Dear Ian, Thanks for the reply, perhaps I sm too touchy, since my grand children refer to me as "Grumpy!" But your last post concerning both the "Dove" and the "Owl", gives an even clearer notiion of ... more
                      • Owls and Doves!Ian Onvlee, Wed Apr 4 13:44
                        Hi Ronald, But your last post concerning both the "Dove" and the "Owl", gives an even clearer notion of the relationship of the "Dove" to Jesus, and the "Owl" to Athena/Mary the Virgin, or the... more
        • Lascaux in Egypt - Part IIIan Onvlee, Sat Mar 31 06:39
          Lascaux in Egypt – Part II (I have saved the best for last) The most amazing supportive links to emerge from predynastic Egypt come from findings made in 2004 by Dirk Huyge. In El Hosh in Egypt Huyge ... more
          • Lascaux in Egypt - Part IIIIan Onvlee, Sat Mar 31 06:41
            Lascaux in Egypt - Part III As we have seen in the previous quote, the discovery of huge rocks decorated with Palaeolithic illustrations at the village of Qurta on the northern edge of the Upper... more
            • Lascaux in Egypt Ian Onvlee, Sat Apr 7 09:43
              Not a single soul interested in a decent discussion about the prehistory of Lascaux or the writings of the cave artists worldwide on this list? How much more disappointing can it get, while cave art... more
              • Lascaux in Egypt — Kim Sargerson, Tue Apr 10 10:11
                • Lascaux in EgyptIan Onvlee, Wed Apr 11 04:29
                  Hi Kim, thanks for responding. This list seems to be dead for quite a while, and I think this topic, although quite new and therefore indeed in its childhood, is worth investigating and refining. I... more
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