Hi Greg. "What this paper, in common with most other material, does not explain, is how they came to be so overpowering when coming into contact with "super-powers" who were already fully militarised. There is no evidence of superior technology nor strategy."
The common paradigm that these Aegeans overpowered many nations is obviously a complete misunderstanding of the texts. Which is why such claims have never been confirmed by archaeology.
There is no need to acuse the Egyptians of extreme hyperbole in this case, the culpability for the misreading lays firmly with academia. Where the texts advise that, "no land could stand before them, from Hatti, Kode, Carchemish, Arvad & Alishaya," we should read this as an alliance of Hittite states, not a list of defeated nations. A more accurate interpretation should be that "no-land could stand before this alliance of Hatti, Kode, Carchemish, Arvad & Alishaya".
Incidently, "Yereth" is commonly interpreted in a half dozen extanct examples of pharaonic conquest lists as meaning "Arvad", not "Arzawa".
That aside, there is growing reason to see these Aegean cultured peoples as local to the east Mediterranean. Originating from Cyprus, classical "Cilicia", and coastal Syria they were in collaboration with the Hittites, who are shown as the principal enemy of Egypt in the Asiatic wars of Ramesses III.
Whatever happened in the west Aegean, on mainland Greece, and in western Anatolia, had nothing to do with the wars of Merneptah & Ramesses III. Rather than continue to treat destructions across these regions as related, they should be approached as if they were separate and distinct events. Let subsequent interpretations stand on their own worth, rather than be shackled by the expectation of contributing to this hypothetical, Wave of Invading Aegeans.
Thank you Chris for that. I previously accepted the common theory that the Sea Peoples were either Ionian or Cilician. What this paper, in common with most other material, does not explain, is how... more
Has anyone on this site ever really looked at the carvings in stone that have been reproduced from Medinet Habu? If so, you can instantly see headgear that will remind one of the headgear of the... more
"Has anyone on this site ever really looked at the carvings in stone that have been reproduced from Medinet Habu?" It should be viewed as a prerequisit in any debate on their origins. Tunics with a... more
Jon, I just thought I would post part of a missive of mine concerning this problem that exists between us. It is long! On other sites found within the Inter-Net, I have made posts concerning the... more
From my small missive already posted and mostly ignored, are these facts; http://www.history.navy.mil/trivia/triv4-4a.htm "Chevrons Chevron is a French word meaning rafter or roof, which is what a... more
Sorry but my above post exceeded the limits of this site! but If any of you want the rest of it, I got it! And, for a good laugh, here is what the "Huffington Post" has as its latest evaulation of... more
Dear Jon! I know that certain sources have tended to lend credence to the idea that it was made up of "Plumes" and I would guess meaning "Plumes of feathers?" But that is merely an assumption, since... more
Ron. Are you suggesting that horse-hair offers better protection that feathers? Perhaps the headgear was not intended to offer protection, afterall body armour was not prevalent in these wars and... more
Jon, you wrote; "Are you suggesting that horse-hair offers better protection that feathers? Yes, I do so suggest, since these stiff bristles, imbeded within a slab of wood would certainly offer some... more
Jon, whilst I have not yet seen your evidence, I will here post mine. http://mail.aol.com/36081-111/aol-6/en-us/Suite.aspx I hope it comes thru! You will see the apparent "Chevrons" in varing numbers ... more
Why Jon, just why can't you accept such an idea? I am holding in my hands or rather looking at a shoe polish brush, whith very stiff horse hair bristles sticking out of it. Interestingly it is even... more
Jon, At this site you can well see some examples that resemble the head gear found at Medinet Habu! http://www.ebay.com/sch/Clothing-Shoes-Accessories-/11450/i.html?_nkw=horsehair+shoe+brush You... more
Dear Jon, Perhaps you have never "polished shoes" with wax? If you have not, which is common amoung the "young" people of today, you might well have used a "Horse Hair" brush to polish the leather?... more
Super-powers reduced by "Sea Peoples"? Jon Smyth,Sun May 6 15:23
"Dear Jon, and others; Just how many of you have read the works of Velikovsky? Actually Ron, the only thing that Velikovsky got right was the inaccuracy of Radio-Carbon dating, at that time. Regards, ... more
A former admirer of Velikovsky's, I came to see that his technique of using Biblical texts as a template for shortening ancient chronology was faulty. However, I think his book "Oedipus and Ahknaton" ... more
Dear Clark, Yes there does exist the possiblity that the good meaning Docktor will be proven correct on at least some of his amazing deductions, and if so, then the rotten supporting pilings of... more
If I might, I will try to let you understand my reasoning. That is, after this event, I.e., the attack upon Egypt during the rule of a King that we now refer to as Necho II (I believe), and as well... more
Hi Chris, Here's what I think. The article is not very trustworth. It is led by an a priori bias towards the low Egyptian chronology and the calibrated radiocarbon dates are based on a mixture of... more
Hi Ian I do not really follow you. Why do you choose to use only one piece of data from Level 7A, that yields a radiocarbon age of 3020±40 AMS 14 C yr BP? Why not the sample at 2910±40 AMS 14 C yr... more
Hi Joe, According to personal communication by Frans Wiggermann T 98-119 was followed by T 96-1. Therein Ahi-malik, the governor of Emar, instigates peace talks with the king of Karkemis. Thus Emar... more
Hi Tory, The official buildings of Tell Sabi Abyad fell in ruins before, already under Ninurta-apil-ekur. He abolished the kingship of Hanigalbat and the career of its king Ili-pada, the owner of... more
Hi Joe, If there is a connection then maybe the latest date for a large scale Sea People invasion becomes the last year of Aššur-nadin-apli (for me 1195). One may ask the same question concerning the ... more
Yes Joe, You wrote in your last sentence; "Pick up a serious work and its just a mass of black type." And no truer words have ever been spoken! Thanks! This is because of the advent and quickly... more
Hi Joe, Thanks for responding. You asked me: I do not really follow you. Why do you choose to use only one piece of data from Level 7A, that yields a radiocarbon age of 3020±40 AMS 14C yr BP? Why not ... more
Yes Ian and others, It does seem that their does exist numerous problems with 14C dating. But I would suggest that it is more serious than you can conceive. So I will suggest that you move all of... more
No Ron, There are no numberous problems with 14C dating. You must be mixed up with Velikovsky's days, when that was indeed the case. But those problems have long been solved in the mean time. The 14C ... more
My dear Ian, I hope you are well? But your deigned reliance upon a dating method that is nothing but a "Whore" to historians and chronologists, etc. is exaspertrating to say the least! So you realize ... more
Dear Ron, And Malta is indeed one of the oldest cultures. What's your problem with that? Do you have anti-Malta sentiments for some reason? The RC data of the article I critisized are not RC problems ... more
the Bible constitutes the national pride of the state of Israel, their very legitimation for being there in the first place. If someone proves the Bible to be one big horrific lie from beginning to... more
Hi Ian -- What is the source for the table you included in your comments? It is not obvious how to reconcile this table or your statement " For the 1-sigma range [the paper] chooses to keep to the... more
I found an article here interesting http://www.biblearchaeology.org/post/2010/07/12/The-Philistines-Enter-Canaan-Were-They-Egyptian-Lackeys-or-Invading-Conquerors.aspx#Article It seems to maintain... more
Hi Chris, I only added recalculated Intcal09 calibration data based on the radiocarbon dates as given in their own table 1. The data I compared my recalculations with are the calibrated data they... more
God almighty one takes a week out on the road and a mild suggestion for a discussion on chronometric methods mutates into a flame-war about whether the Bible is a theological basis for the existence... more
Dear Chris, You say: "Recalculated how? Do you have access to the IntCal09 program?" It's not so difficult. You can freely download both Oxcal and Intcal calculators from the internet. The Oxcal... more
"That the destruction layer was caused by the Sea Peoples is not just an assumption. It seems well-supported by the changes in material culture they summarise." If we are referring to Levantine... more
Jon -- I was referring to the statements in the article that the pre-destruction site was characterised by " a large variety of Mycenean (Late Helladic IIIB), local Late Helladic IIIC Early and Late... more
Chris. You write: I was referring to the statements in the article that the pre-destruction site was characterised by "a large variety of Mycenean (Late Helladic IIIB), local Late Helladic IIIC Early ... more
Jon, You pointed out: 1. Generally, peoples who wrought destruction without settling are peoples who have no need of somewhere to settle. An argument which flies in the face of the conventional... more