Werner Nahm
KAV 21-24
Thu May 17, 2012 06:41
160.6.135.4 (XFF: 160.6.8.18)

Hi Joe, Tory and all,

some remarks and questions about KAV 21-24.
- I do not have Millard's book, what does he say about the collation by Jakob-Rost? In particular:
- Zawadzki wrote that the very important fragment VAT 11260B with the final summation line could not be found during his visit to Berlin. Did Jakob-Rost state that she saw it? If not, then Schroeder is the only relevant source of information for this fragment, in particular for the question if it went to the horizontal edge.
- I can send you a file with a provisional matching of KAV 21+22 done by V. Melis with some supervision by Marzahn. Nothing better can be done at present, since the tablets are packed and will remain in storage for quite a while.
- Tory's rescaling of the fragments for reconstruction led to some slight mismatches (e.g. Bel-tarsi-iluma in Kol. VII has to be aligned with Nergal-ilaya in Kol VI).
- I agree with the reconstruction of Kol. VII, however. Joe's remark about a horizontal line expected before the line naming Adad-Nirari is important, as are the preserved wedges at the end of the name Assur-taklak.
- One surprise is that the text contains an error in Kol VI, since either Nergal-alik-pani or Bur-Ramman were omitted. I guess that Schroeder did not give a compound drawing of KAV21+22, since he considered such an error as unlikely, but could not get convincing names for some Assur-rabi eponymes on the other side, if he left space for both Nergal-alik-pani and Bur-Ramman.
- Unfortunately KAV 23 is not included in the composite drawing I got, so I can't say much about Tory's addition of Paqaha shakin mati. If Schroeder's drawing is reliable (and he was very conscientious!) the wedge before the mati does not agree with a short writing for shakin, and the available space is hardly large enough for holding five signs. This is a pity, the idea might have worked.
- Concerning the size of column X, one really would need a 3D image to know where the writing did start. I agree with Tory that one needs extra space for Assur- in Assur-gimillu-tere, but that may have been available on the edge. A number like 542 or 572 seems too long even when the extra space is taken into account. I have an unpublished paper where I propose a mathematical notation [2]2 for 22x60=1320 at the end of a limu list on two tablets, starting with Su-Istar and a note [1 li-]mu (for 1000) after the line of the (lost) thousandth limu. In that case the first tablet would have ended in the middle of the reign of Tukulti-Ninurta I. Brinkman and Michel object that a mathematical notation is unexpected in such a text, and Brinkman finds the small size of the 1000 note somewhat problematic, however.

Regards,
Werner

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    • Hi Tory Firstly, thank you for the copies of Millard’s copies of A3 and KAV 21-24. Secondly, great illustrations you have placed on the forum superimposing your arrangement of limus onto copies of... more
      • Hi Joe When I turn to Schroeder’s 1920 explanation of Canon A3, here at the top of page VIII http://archive.org/stream/keilschrifttexte00schr#page/n13/mode/1up we see that he considered... more
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          • SchroederTory Thorpe, Thu May 17 01:36
            Hi Joe Almost forgot. What is the argument, is your insistence that the last limu mentioned in column IX was Aššur-gimillu-tere. The authors listed in my last post were designed to show that I can... more
            • KAV 21-24 — Werner Nahm, Thu May 17 06:41
              • mathematical notation and KAV 21-24Tory Thorpe, Fri May 18 04:21
                Hi Werner I have an unpublished paper where I propose a mathematical notation [2]2 for 22x60=1320 at the end of a limu list on two tablets, starting with Su-Istar and a note [1 li-]mu (for 1000)... more
              • Re: KAV 21-24Tory Thorpe, Thu May 17 07:33
                Hi Werner All Millard says is that Jakob-Rost checked his arrangement of the various fragments (shown on Plate 7) and that he disagreed with Millard's placement of VAT 11260B. Like Zawadzki, Millard... more
                • Re: KAV 21-24Werner, Thu May 24 04:57
                  Hi Tory, I have a ruptured finger ligament, so please excuse the short answer. > All Millard says is that Jakob-Rost checked his arrangement of the various fragments (shown on Plate 7) and that he... more
                  • KAV 21-24, Paqaha, etc.Tory Thorpe, Sat May 26 01:52
                    Hi Werner Werner: I have a ruptured finger ligament, so please excuse the short answer. Yes of course. I hope things improve. TT: All Millard says is that Jakob-Rost checked his arrangement of the... more
          • Hi Joe I must say your construction is a good attempt. Using your method the copy of A3 you sent me does not appear to fit to conventional chronology. Still Johns say it is composed of some 10... more
    • A3 obverse (graphic)Tory, Mon May 7 02:44
      Hi Joe Perhaps a graphic of the obverse of A3 will help. This layout has the limmu names in Roman letters overlaying the cuneiform script on the water marked fragment and extending into the missing... more
      • A3 reverse (graphic)Tory, Mon May 7 02:46
        Hi Joe Perhaps a graphic of the reverse of A3 will help. This layout has the limmu names in Roman letters overlaying the cuneiform script on the water marked fragment and extending into the missing... more
        • A3 reverse (graphic) correctionTory Thorpe, Tue May 15 08:56
          http://postimage.org/image/p0bgoa1h7/
          • A3 reverse (graphic) and double eponymy?Tory Thorpe, Tue May 15 09:07
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