Marc Gabolde
Re: Pip is not Nb
Fri Jun 1, 2012 08:35

Hi Tory,

Just few words for the discussion about Pip/Nip/Nib/Nap which I posted today in another discussion on ANECF concerning the king Nephersôphris known from the Suidas Byzantine Encyclopaedia. May be it can help :

For cuneiform Nip- as indisputable and viable alternative way to transcribe Egyptian nfr, see Greek Πετενεφθῖμις which correponds to Egyptian PA-d(w)-nfr-tm, based on the god's name Nefertem, and which is known in Neobabylonian as Pa-aṭ-ni-ip-te-e-mu (H. RANKE, Keilschriftliches Material zur altägyptischen Vokalisation = APAW 1900, p. 40 ; J.N. STRAßMAIER, Inschriften von Darius, König von Babylon (521-485 v. Chr.) = Babylonische Texte, Heft 10-12, Pfeiffer Leipzig 1897, n° 301, 18, « Pa-aṭ-ni-ip-te-e-mu son of Amūnu-tapunaḫti » ; W. VYCICHL, La vocalisation de la langue égyptienne — tome Ier — la phonétique = BdE XVI, 1990, p. 189, n° 7).
In the same way, Ni-ip-ḫu-ur-ri-ia of EA 9,1 is necessarilly Akhenaten simply because Tell el Amarna was abandonned AS ROYAL PALACE (even the city was still inhabited) during year III of the queen pharaoh and so it is sure that Tutankhamun NEVER ruled at Tell el Amarna (this is clear from the royal names on temple reliefs, limestone door inscriptions, paintings on wall from north riverside palace, royal names in tombs, royal names on stamped bricks, royal names on dockets. All these documents display as last royal names those of Smenkhkare and those of the queen-pharaoh Ankhetkheperure . . . Neferneferuaten . . . but NEVER those of Tutankhaten/tutankhaten:archaeological documents must NEVER be neglected).

Yours sincerely,


  • Re: Pip is not NbTory, Mon Dec 19 20:45
    Try this: start saying "Nib" over and over again as fast as you can. I guarantee it'll soon turn into "Pip". It's like I said, "nb" only becomes Pip in your imagination not in any attested Akkadian... more
    • Re: Pip is not Nb — Marc Gabolde, Fri Jun 1 08:35
      • Re: Pip is not NbTory Thorpe, Fri Jun 1 10:34
        Hi Marc You wrote: For cuneiform Nip- as indisputable and viable alternative way to transcribe Egyptian nfr... You will not find me in disagreement with this in any of my remarks on this or other... more
        • Niphururiria againMarc Gabolde, Fri Jun 1 16:54
          Dear Tory, Jared MILLER, Hittitologist, in his « Amarna Age Chronology and the Identity of Nibḫururiya in the Light of a Newly Reconstructed Hittite Text », Altorientalische Forschungen 34... more
          • Re: Niphururiria againTory Thorpe, Fri Jun 1 17:04
            Dear Marc I would still want to see the Akkadian text of EA 9. NIP and NIB are not written exactly the same way in Akkadian cuneiform. That is not true. Miller is probably making small errors here.... more
            • EA 9, 1Marc Gabolde, Sat Jun 2 06:16
              Dear Tory, I must add that the index of Bezold & Budge, p. 154, gives : Ni-ip-ḫu-ur-ri-ri-ya for the royal name on tablet Bezold & Budge n° 2, 1 (EA 9, 1). Regards
              • Re: EA 9, 1Tory Thorpe, Sat Jun 2 09:52
                Hi Marc Thank you for these links. I must say, is a wonderful online resource. I'm now searching it for A. Ungnad's article "Eponymen" in RlA 2 (1938) but it does not seem that... more
                • EA 9Marc Gabolde, Sat Jun 2 10:23
                  Thanks Tory for explainations. So Nip- or Nib- ? for EA 9. As you may suspect, I disagree concerning your identification of Niphururia. Regards Marc
            • EA 9Marc Gabolde, Sat Jun 2 06:00
              Hi Tory, Two links that may help: Photos of EA 9 (BM 29785) at :... more
        • NiphururiiaMarc Gabolde, Fri Jun 1 11:44
          Dear Tory, Only few books available on my desk, however, concerning EA 9,1 : Moran gives NiBḫurrereya, but Knudtzon I, p. 88, gives ni-ip-ḫu-ur-ri-ri-ia, R.S. Hess, Amarna Personal Names, ... more
          • Re: NiphururiiaTory Thorpe, Fri Jun 1 16:39
            Dear Marc Well it cannot be both NIB and NIP in EA 9, so I would very much like to know who is telling the truth. I would know who if I had access to the cuneiform text. Maybe someone does and can... more
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