Kim Sargerson
Correction
Sun Aug 28, 2016 16:07
109.156.216.144

I wrote

"The closest Aldred came was to (c) when he showed that two papyri (not one) written by the same scribe and featuring many of the same local village names, including those of slaves, dated to the early thirties of Amunhotep III and the 4th (? from memory) of Amunhotep IV"
I have just found a reference to these documents in Murnane's coregencies and please forgive my 39-year lapsus memoriae. The three most important papyri date from 27 Amunhotep III and 2, 3 Amunhotep IV.

Regards

Kim

  • re:The Amarna Period againKim Sargerson, Sun Aug 28 15:48
    Hello Marianne You wrote "Why assume that when he had two more--the last in Year 37?" Because that would make the period required to be spanned by the Egyptian reigns a further 7 years more, and bang ... more
    • Re:The Amarna Period againJoe Baker, Mon Aug 29 03:30
      Hi Kim The only kinds of evidence that would be acceptable in this context are (a) a dated inscription from the reign of Amenhotep III titling Tiye "king's mother" (b) a joint inscription by the two... more
      • Re:The Amarna Period againMarianne Luban, Mon Aug 29 12:26
        Joe: "As I have said many times in the past, no co-regencies - there is no evidence of a co-regency only evidence of the gullibility and or ignorance of scholars and commentators." Is that so. What... more
        • Re:The Amarna Period againAnonymous, Mon Aug 29 18:44
          Hello Marianne You wrote "https://www.academia.edu/16702265/The_Significance_of_Eight_Years_for_King_Akhenaten_" This cites the same old arguments, plus a bit of "Manethonic" numerology. Every single ... more
          • Re:The Amarna Period againMarianne Luban, Mon Aug 29 23:52
            Kim wrote: "https://www.academia.edu/16702265/The_Significance_of_Eight_Years_for_King_Akhenaten_" "This cites the same old arguments, plus a bit of "Manethonic" numerology." I don't know what... more
            • Re:The Amarna Period againKim Sargerson, Tue Aug 30 15:54
              Marianne If you don't understand what I write, ask me to explain it to you. That's not being patronising, I often have to do the same. But don't sneer at something you do not understand, just say you ... more
              • Re:The Amarna Period againMarianne Luban, Tue Aug 30 18:34
                Kim: "Everyone who thinks anything about "Manetho" that is positive, is of the opinion that Josephus had access to a more detailed and more original text than the others." What I said to Cullom about ... more
                • Re:The Amarna Period againKim Sargerson, Wed Aug 31 13:25
                  Marianne "What I said to Cullom about people who have not made an extensive study of Manetho pontificating applies to you, as well." If by studying you mean sitting in a room on your own imagining... more
                  • I wrote: "What I said to Cullom about people who have not made an extensive study of Manetho pontificating applies to you, as well." Kim: "If by studying you mean sitting in a room on your own... more
                    • "What I said to Cullom ..."Kim Sargerson, Thu Sep 1 12:31
                      Hello Marianne You wrote "Why did I need some specific teacher?" So you are claiming, as I thought, superior insight based on autodidactism. That is not necessarily a bad thing, but if you can do it, ... more
                • Re:The Amarna Period againMarianne Luban, Tue Aug 30 19:06
                  I should clarify one thing, however. Even though version of Theophilus of the kinglist of Dynasty 18 is more correct than that of Josephus in some respects, he did not understand that there were some ... more
          • Re:The Age of KV55Joe Baker, Mon Aug 29 20:37
            Hi Kim You commented on the age estimate of the KV55 mummy in the book "Scanning the Pharaohs" by Z. Hawass and S. Saleem Thus the same team who want KV55 to be aged 35-45 (their assessment, not... more
            • Re:The Age of KV55Kim Sargerson, Mon Aug 29 22:45
              Hi Joe "You are forgetting things." Yes, I am. It was 1966, not 1967. It was Harrison's examination I was referring to. This concluded that the age ranges for two features, eruption of the wisdom... more
              • re: The Age of KV55Marianne Luban, Tue Aug 30 00:26
                Kim: "The magic bricks are surely not original to the Akhetaten burial, and even the coffin and canopic jars were altered at least once in the tomb. Not what I would call a convincing provenance.... more
            • re: the age of kv55Rich McQuillen, Mon Aug 29 21:46
              Old: Hawass/Saleem, Harris/Wente Young: Grafton Elliot Smith, 1967(Harrison, R. G. 1966) **** Add 2 more to the Young camp... Filer(2000) and Derry(1931) Filer (2000) said: "More conclusively, many... more
              • re: the age of kv55Marianne Luban, Tue Aug 30 10:09
                Unfortunately, there is not even a world standard for aging human skeletal remains. https://bonesdontlie.wordpress.com/2011/12/20/determining-age-in-human-remains-call-for-standards/ However, once... more
                • re: the age of kv55Jaime O, Tue Aug 30 15:50
                  Hi all, Marianne, if you'll allow me to interject here. "However, once again, Professor Smith of the Cairo School of Medicine had experience with ancient Egyptian remains. He told Weigall he thought... more
                  • re: the age of kv55Marianne Luban, Wed Aug 31 10:09
                    Jaime: "Smenkhkare was about 16 years old when he sired Tutankhamun by a sister." I wrote: "You see? It's very easy to say "Oh, well, that KV55 guy has to be Smenkhkare" but it's not very easy to... more
                    • re: the age of kv55Jaime O, Wed Aug 31 12:58
                      Hi Marianne, Thank you for the reply. "Well, I'm sorry you would characterize my valid comment about "easy" as opposed to "compelling scenario" as a "rant"." My apologies here. English is not my... more
                    • CorrectionMarianne Luban, Wed Aug 31 10:10
                      I should certainly have written "However, I do not believe that TUTANKHAMUN was born to Nefertiti until after Year 12."
                  • A small noteJaime O, Tue Aug 30 16:06
                    Marianne, you also asked: "If he married Meritaten around Year 12 of Akhenaten, then when was Meritaten the wife of her own father, since she was probably less than 12 in Year 12?" In my scheme, she... more
              • re: the age of kv55Kim Sargerson, Mon Aug 29 23:23
                Hello Rich Thank you for posting these quotations. Add two more to the "young" camp - Dr Brenda Baker (2010) and Dr Eugene Strouhal (2010 based on an examination in 1998). All the pathology... more
              • re: 500 gold sheets foundRich McQuillen, Mon Aug 29 21:55
                Hopefully this new ongoing study comes up with some new evidence to add to this debate. Forgotton box may hold the key to Egypt’s pharaoh without a face... more
                • Re: re: 500 gold sheets foundJoe Baker, Tue Aug 30 04:06
                  Hi Rich You quoted from a website In it were 500 scrunched-up gold sheets, the remains of a skull — and an old note scribbled in French with the date the tomb was found. ... The note simply states... more
      • Re:The Amarna Period againKim Sargerson, Mon Aug 29 07:59
        Hi Joe Many thanks for your comments. I really only posted this because I was becoming tired of the old, old "evidence" being cited over and again without any new evidence or new reasoning to back... more
        • Re:The Amarna Period againMarianne Luban, Mon Aug 29 10:13
          Kim wrote: "If such a co-regency existed then one would expect to find in the Amarna correspondence copies of the same letters sent to both monarchs, especially by the superpowers, or if separate... more
        • Re:The Amarna Period againMarianne Luban, Mon Aug 29 09:24
          Kim wrote: "I really only posted this because I was becoming tired of the old, old "evidence" being cited over and again without any new evidence or new reasoning to back it." All my arguments for a... more
        • Re:The Amarna Period againJoe Baker, Mon Aug 29 08:42
          Hi Kim In less than 20 years there were full warring pharaohs at Thebes (Rudamun and later Ini, warring with the Kushites), and later, warring with each other, were Hermopolis (Nimlot) and... more
    • Correction — Kim Sargerson, Sun Aug 28 16:07
      • Re: CorrectionTory, Mon Aug 29 20:03
        Hi all, Every time Joe opens his mouth he makes the case for the overlap of Amenhotep III and Amenhotep IV that much stronger. 1. An overlap is two or more kings (related or not related) ruling from... more
        • Re: CorrectionKim Sargerson, Thu Sep 1 16:07
          Hi Tory "The Gurob Papyri with three consecutive transactions dated year 27 Amenotep III, and years 2 and 3 Amenhotep IV, with all three of these records found in the same conical pottery jar in... more
        • Re: CorrectionKim Sargerson, Mon Aug 29 22:47
          Hi Tory I did say it was the closest Aldred came. For a while (about 2 years) it convinced me. But then came Murnane's article... Kim
          • Re: CorrectionTory, Tue Aug 30 00:10
            Murnane's article does not take a position with respect to the papyri in question. It also doesn't discuss the contents of the papyri in any satisfactory way that can be described scholarly rigor.... more
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