Marianne Luban
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Thu Sep 1, 2016 09:59
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I wrote:

"What I said to Cullom about people who have not made an extensive study of Manetho pontificating applies to you, as well."

Kim:
"If by studying you mean sitting in a room on your own imagining this or that way is how the numbers can work out, then, yes I can imagine you have done a lot of that. We have all done some. But from what "expert" teacher have you learned your special expertise on this imaginary text?"

You know, you are truly ridiculous. Why did I need some specific teacher? What teacher could have told me that the name "Ame[n]ssis" stands for "Hmt nswt" or "royal lady" when I was the very first one to make that observation years ago? That appeared on the EEF, the AEL [Ancient Egyptian Language list] and in more recently in a couple of my books--and nobody has disputed that yet or even tried to.
Don't bother being the first, as no one will care, including me. One of the problems probably was that most scholars who dealt with Manetho were scholars of Greek and didn't know the Egyptian language. However, I am grateful for their Greek translations, as I don't know ancient Greek that well.

I wrote:

"Josephus does not have the most accurate version of Manetho"

Kim:
"I did not say accurate, I said more detailed and original."

No, you only said "more accurate". Not that it matters what you said.

" It is perfectly clear that all the copies lack accuracy. As Theophilus only cites exactly the same group as Josephus, but with variant regnal years and months as well as omitting 3 names and two periods given in Josephus, I do not see how you are defining "accuracy" here. The individual reign figures could indeed be more accurate, if we could decide which king was meant. But Josephus has not invented the names Rathotis, Akencheres, yet Theophilus omits them. Is that your standard of accuracy?"

Actually, yes. Theophilus did not omit the things you claim. The one fragment from him in Waddell's book is replete with lacunae, but what is partially there coincides with Josephus pretty well--the same kings. He doesn't leave out a single one.

"Most of the time, Manetho wrote "then" and "then""

"We have no text of Manetho to know what he wrote.
Josephus uses "then", Theophilus specifically "after him". So if you are going with Theophilus as more accurate, you should take this into account."

No. I clarified that I don't think Theophilus is more accurate in that. He follows Josephus [certainly more as compared to Africanus and Eusebius] but Theophilus lived a century later, so I go with the first man to ever actually quote Manetho outright [and say so]--Josephus. As to the rest, your opinion there counts for nothing with me. This is the last time I am replying to you about Manetho.

I wrote:
" I have spent years studying the writings of the ancient historians"

"And what do you think I do for fun?"

But you didn't write a book! Your libeling me as having no expertise damages me as a scholar in the area of the ancient historians.

" I do not know how old you are, or how many years this actually is, but I started on Thucydides and Herodotus (and don't correct the Latin spelling) in Greek at the age of 12 and I am now 58."

I don't me at all. But, since you have often claimed to be my senior and have given your age--I don't mind giving mine.
I will be 70 this month.

  • Re:The Amarna Period againKim Sargerson, Wed Aug 31 13:25
    Marianne "What I said to Cullom about people who have not made an extensive study of Manetho pontificating applies to you, as well." If by studying you mean sitting in a room on your own imagining... more
    • "What I said to Cullom about people who have not made an ext — Marianne Luban, Thu Sep 1 09:59
      • "What I said to Cullom ..."Kim Sargerson, Thu Sep 1 12:31
        Hello Marianne You wrote "Why did I need some specific teacher?" So you are claiming, as I thought, superior insight based on autodidactism. That is not necessarily a bad thing, but if you can do it, ... more
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