Jaime O
An alternative genealogy of the 21st Dynasty (Part III)
Thu Dec 1, 2016 15:38
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Below, I offer my approximated ages for all these individuals. The cornerstone is Psusennes I's estimated age, which was recently given as 'close to 80'. I begin by giving him c78 years at death. I also made a minor change: in this scheme, Masaharta succeeded Pinudjem son of Piankh, not Djedkhonsuefankh, which accounts for his title of 'Crown Prince', among others, and he is fathered by King Pinudjem and Duathathor-Henuttawy. When Psusennes I was allowed to succeed Smendes his grandfather in the north, Masaharta became their father's crown prince in theory, although it was already established that Herihor would succeed Pinudjem Ia; he was the HPA and Generalissimo whom Henuttawy gave birth to.

1. Amenhotep (c1104-1050) - HP from c1070 to 1050, between ages c34-54;
2. Pinudjem Ia (c1074-1019), son of 1. - King from 1029 to 1019, between ages c45-55;
3. Henuttawy (c1069-c1014) - King's Wife from 1029 to 1019, King's Mother from 1022 to c1014, between ages c40-55;
4. Psusennes I (c1049-971), son of 2. and 3. - King from 1022 to 971, between ages c27-78;
5. Amunemnisu (c1024-977), son of 4. - King from 981 to 977, between ages c43-47;
6. Amenemope (c1022-967), son of 4. - King from 976 to 967, between ages c46-55;
7. Masaharta (c1045-1001) - son of 2. - HP from 1004 to 1001, between ages c41-44;
8. Djedkhonsuefankh (c1040-995), son of 2. - HP from 1001 to 995, between ages c39-45;
9. Menkheperre (c1025-974), son of 2. - HP from 995 to 974, between ages c30-51;
10. Pinudjem IIa (c990-c950), son of 9. - HP from c972 to c950, between ages c18-40;
11. Psusennes III (c965-897), son of 10. - HP from c950 to 932, between ages 15-33. King from 932-897, between ages 33-38. Identical to Manetho's King Psusennes II;
12. Pinudjem IIb (c940-c918), son of 11. - HP from c920 to c918, between ages c20-22. Identical to HPA Pinudjem son of King Pasebakhaniut;
13. Nodjmet A (c1076-c1019), daughter of 1. - King's Mother in 1019, at about the age of 57;
14. Herihor (c1060-994), son of 13. - HP from 1045 to 1019, between ages c15-41. King from 1019 to 994, between ages 41-66;
15. Piankh (c1080-1045), husband of 13. - HP from 1050 to 1045, between ages c30-35
16. Pinudjem Ib (c1050-1004), son of 13. and 15. - HP from 1019 to 1004, between ages c31-46;
17. Maatkare B (c938-before 897), daughter of 11. - Married Osorkon I, with whom she had HPA Shoshenq;
18. Shoshenq C/Q (c911-??), son of 17. - Son of Osorkon I and grandson of Psusennes III. Identical to Maatkheperre Shoshenq?
From the birth of Amenhotep to the birth of Shoshenq C: 193 years, seven generations. This is 27,571 years per generation = 28 years per generation.

Best wishes,
Jaime

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    • An alternative genealogy of the 21st Dynasty (Part III) — Jaime O, Thu Dec 1 15:38
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      • Re: Pinudjem I and MasahartaTory, Fri Dec 2 01:48
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        • Re: Pinudjem I and MasahartaJaime O, Fri Dec 2 06:51
          Hi Tory, I appreciate your reply to this thread. "An anonymous year date with the mention of a king within the very same date formula is technically not anonymous. The Egyptians were not ignorant.... more
          • Re: Pinudjem I and MasahartaAnonymous, Fri Dec 2 10:04
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            • Re: Pinudjem I and MasahartaJaime O, Sat Dec 3 07:50
              Hi Tory, thank you for the reply. "My question relates to the year date not the identity of the HP." My point is this: 'Menkheperre son of King Pinudjem' is an epithet, in no way related to the date. ... more
              • Re: Pinudjem I and MasahartaTory, Thu Dec 8 23:13
                Jaime: "My point is this: 'Menkheperre son of king Pinudjem' is an epithet, in no way related to the date." Actually "son of X" is a patronymic not an epithet. Epithets can be earned, acquired, and... more
                • Re: Pinudjem I and MasahartaJaime O, Sun Dec 11 17:33
                  Hi Tory, thank you for the reply. "Actually "son of X" is a patronymic not an epithet. Epithets can be earned, acquired, and taken away. Patronymics cannot." Yes. you're right. By 'epithet' I had an... more
                  • HPAs and 21st dynasty chronologyTory, Fri Dec 16 07:13
                    Jaime: Thanks for bringing the Prada paper on tabs, mummy braces, and pendants from the Bab el-Gasus cache reproduced in Černżís notebooks to the forumís attention. Those who have had time to go ... more
                    • Re: HPAs and 21st dynasty chronologyJaime O, Fri Dec 16 18:14
                      Hi Tory, I appreciate your further comments. "Those who have had time to go through it have to be struck, as I was, over the number of items belonging to "HPA Pinudjem son of KING PSUSENNES... more
      • Re: Pinudjem I and MasahartaJaime O, Thu Dec 1 06:30
        Hi Marianne. I appreciate a lot your reply. "Queen Meryetamun's burial was "restored" in Year 19 of Pinudjem I, 3rd month of Peret, day 19. The linen for the re-wrapping contained the name of HP... more
        • Re: Pinudjem I and MasahartaMarianne Luban, Thu Dec 1 12:27
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          • Re: Pinudjem I and MasahartaJaime O, Thu Dec 1 15:51
            Hi Marianne, thank you for the reply. "Dodson and Hilton, "The Complete Royal Families of Ancient Egypt" [page 207] still have HP Masaharta as being a son of Pinudjem I." Because they: a) are not... more
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