Jaime O
Re: Pinudjem I and Masaharta
Thu Dec 1, 2016 15:51
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Hi Marianne,

thank you for the reply.

"Dodson and Hilton, "The Complete Royal Families of Ancient Egypt" [page 207] still have HP Masaharta as being a son of Pinudjem I."

Because they: a) are not aware of Thijs's theory, or, more likely b) they reject it. The theory has not conquered consensus among scholars. The consensus is that Masaharta is son of HPA Pinudjem, but he never says his father was HP, only that he was King. Thijs's position (the one I'm adopting here) is that Masaharta is son of King Pinudjem, not identical to the HP son of Piankh.

"They also state that Masaharta was responsible for the restoration of the mummy of Amenhotep I in Year 16 of Smendes I. They opine that Masaharta may have died in Year 24 of the reign."

This is the position of most scholars. If I'm not wrong, Wente was the first one to suggest that Years 6-15 of HP Pinudjem, 16-19 of HP Masaharta and 25 of HP Menkheperre belonged to Smendes' 26 year-reign as given by Manetho. I don't think Smendes had year-dates in Thebes (besides a non-explicit synchronism), nor that he reigned for 26.

"Manetho had nothing to say about Dynasty 20, I feel sure, as even Africanus, who came later, fails to name a single king of that house. He and Eusebius say only "12 kings"."

Indeed. No king is named, which is very strange. Did Manetho really failed to give any name? Or was this dynasty's list so repetitive that later epitomizers shorten every entry to "12 kings for X years"? Personally, I think this is more likely: I also think that repetitive names made epitomizers use the formula "X kings for Y years" twice in the entries of the 22nd Dynasty, as Africanus has it. Nevertheless, the actual 20th Dynasty as we read about it (from Setnakht to Ramses XI) has 10 kings, not 12. I don't question their names, I question their numbers. Where did the two last kings go? Some researchers want to introduced entries like Isru or 'the empty years' in order to feel the void, but I don't think Manetho ever included or named periods. I side with Thijs when he argues that Pinudjem Ia and Herihor are the two last kings.

Best wishes,
Jaime

  • Re: Pinudjem I and MasahartaMarianne Luban, Thu Dec 1 12:27
    Dodson and Hilton, "The Complete Royal Families of Ancient Egypt" [page 207] still have HP Masaharta as being a son of Pinudjem I. They also state that Masaharta was responsible for the restoration... more
    • Re: Pinudjem I and Masaharta — Jaime O, Thu Dec 1 15:51
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