Jaime O
Re: Sesonchosis
Sun Jan 8, 2017 16:10
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Hi Bob,

thank you for your questions. Allow me to respond for myself.

A) 732 BCE was the 13th year of Tiglath-Pileser III's reign. It is not my belief that any dates lower that 911 BCE (Adad-Nirari IV's first year and beginning of the Neo-Assyria Period) for Assyria should be changed, at least not drastically;

B) Retzin of Damascus died in 732 BCE

C) Not on my chronology. The Books of Kings and Chronicles clearly have a sort of governmental vacuum in Samaria at this time, as indirect calculations show that Pekah was not immediately succeeded by Hoshea. It is my belief that Hoshea helped Assyria to dethrone Pekah and he operated as viceroy in Samaria until he was allowed to have his own authority and dating-system years later.

D) 731 BCE is not the death of Jotham nor the ascension of Ahaz. 716 BCE has been brought forth as to allow Hezekiah to be king in a Year 14 during the attack of Sennacherib in 701; however, this doesn't allow Hezekiah to be king in 722, although we know Samaria fell in his 4th year. The best explanation brought by some commentators is to assume that Hezekiah was coregent in the 720s and regent from the 710s beyond, but I've rejected this unproved scenario on a simple reasoning. This explanation assumes that the authors of Kings and Chronicles were keeping track of two dating systems: one for kings who served as coregents of their predecessors and whose royal dates were dated from the co regency; and another for the same kings once their predecessors died and they became full regents. This scenario means that more than one author was changing the dating of events at will without ever warning his audience; the whole chronology of these books becomes a mess that only the authors could understand, because only they knew when or why an ancient event could be dated by a king from his coregency and not his regency. It is my belief that all these authors were consistent: all synchronisms and other forms of dating outside of Kings and Chronicles (such as by the years of exile of Jeconiah ) depend solely from the year-dates of the kings mentioned, and there was only one dating system, the one a ruler assumed once he became king (coregent or not). This also excludes all equally never-mentioned or hinted-at forms of dating suggested by some commentators, such as dating events from a specific point in time (e.g. 2 Chronicles 16:1 is dated from the division of the united kingdom of Israel) or by ages of kings. Any explanation other than this requires extraordinary data not explicitly given by the biblical text.

E) I have mixed feelings towards Jotham's Year 20. At first sight, it seems like someone messed this one up really bad and Year 20 of Pekah, aforementioned in 2 Kings 15:30, was originally meant. But it seems anomalous that the author of the verse would date Pekah's death by his own year-date, whereas most of the deaths of the kings of Israel are dated by Judah. Jotham was already dead by Pekah's Year 17, so this dating should be regarded as posthumous. But why? This verse is so odd and without comparison that I feel the need (one I'm uncomfortable with) to postulate that this part of 2 Kings 15:30 is an insertion made by a later author.

I hope I have responded to your accordingly.

My honest regards,
Jaime

  • Re: SesonchosisRobert P. Killian, Sun Jan 8 09:15
    Jaime, Tory and Kim, Question,---was 732BC, the 13th year of the Assyrian King Tiglath-Pileser III? Question,---was 732BC, the death year of Retzin, King of Damascus? Question,---was 732BC, the death ... more
    • Re: Sesonchosis — Jaime O, Sun Jan 8 16:10
      • Re SesonchosisRobert P. Killian, Mon Jan 9 00:39
        Hi Jaime O Thanks for answering my list of questions. A) 732 BCE, was 13th year of Tiglath-Pileser III's reign. B) Retzin of Damascus died in 732 BCE. Did Pekah die too? I do have 701 BCE, for... more
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