FB
Re: Ramesses XII
Sun Feb 26, 2017 19:48
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As an aside, if 'king' Pinedjem I in Thebes really counted his years and we know he proclaimed himself king in Year 16 of an anonymous ruler's reign (likely Smendes) then why is the Banishment stela dated to Year 25 of this anonymous king's reign rather than explicitly to Year 9 of king Pinedjem I, Menkheperre's father. The king is never named.

The High Priest Menkheperre quashed a rebellion and banished the rebels from Thebes but still dated this event to the reign of the Tanite king in Upper Egypr (Smendes) rather than to his own father who was effectively king Pinedjem I. This tells one that the High Priests at Thebes may have proclaimed themselves as kings but they never adopted an independent dating system for themselves. They followed the Tanite king's dating system. And Year 25 is only 1 year less than Manetho's 26 year figure for Smendes' reign.

PS: Mladjov's article is important for a reconsideration of the end of the 20th dynasty.

Best, FB

  • Re: Ramesses XIIFB, Sun Feb 26 19:30
    To Ms Luban, The Ian mentioned here is Ian Mladjov. He published his 2017 paper here: http://birminghamegyptology.co.uk/journal/ and you would know this if you are on EEF. Manetho gives Smendes 26... more
    • Re: Ramesses XIIMarianne Luban, Mon Feb 27 09:05
      FB wrote: "To Ms Luban, The Ian mentioned here is Ian Mladjov. He published his 2017 paper here: http://birminghamegyptology.co.uk/journal/ and you would know this if you are on EEF." Is it somehow... more
    • egyptological nonsenseTory, Mon Feb 27 00:16
      Manetho gives Smendes 26 years of reign and this is supported by the Year 25 date on the Banishment Stela since we have no evidence the Theban High Priests counted their years even when they... more
    • Re: Ramesses XIITory, Sun Feb 26 21:08
      There is no year 16 document where Pinudjem I "proclaims himself king." This is incorrect and misleading. There is a year 16 (anonymous) record when Masaharta was HPA. It says nothing about his royal ... more
      • Dear Tory, I'm afraid that this will be my last post on this Forum. This Forum is not what it was when I participated on it 11-14 years ago. Yes there is clear evidence that Pinedjem was a simple HP... more
        • I'm afraid that this will be my last post on this Forum. This Forum is not what it was when I participated on it 11-14 years ago. Yes there is clear evidence that Pinedjem was a simple HP in Year 15... more
    • Re: Ramesses XII — FB, Sun Feb 26 19:48
      • Re: Ramesses XIITory, Sun Feb 26 21:01
        Where does the Banishment Stele mention anyone named king Smendes? The only king named anywhere in this record is king Pinudjem, father of HPA Menkheperre. There is not the slightest recognition of... more
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