Fabian B
Re: Ramses XII = Ramses VIII?
Sun Mar 5, 2017 14:47
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Correction to my post: I said "Ramesses II never used the Amun based epithet meryamun."

I meant that Ramesses II never used the Amun based epithet Mereramun. Ramesses II, Ramesses III through to Ramesses VIII Always used the Amun based epithet meryamun. Only Setnakht used mereramun in this period but his name was Setnakht, not Ramesses.

Mereramun is just not a popular Amun based epithet, so it is a good dating criteria since it appears very late in Dynasty 20. In Dynasty 21, the rulers here all use meryamun again starting from Smendes onwards.




  • Re: Ramses XII = Ramses VIII?Fabian B, Sun Mar 5 14:38
    Ramesses VIII cannot be the postulated Ramesses XII because he used the popular Amun based epithet meryamun in his royal titulary as one of the pre-Ramesses IX Ramesside kings. He is attested by only ... more
    • Re: Ramses XII = Ramses VIII?Jaime O, Mon Mar 6 13:44
      Hi Fabian, Kim, Tory I appreciate your kind replies. Here goes an extensive one. Fabian: I appreciate a lot your replies. You see, I like testing things and possibilities, even when they might be... more
      • Re: Ramses XII = Ramses VIII?Kim Sargerson, Sat Mar 11 04:49
        Hello Jaime "I might as well just leave some comments on that thread of ours. I've had some ideas on Pasenhor's genealogy..." Please do. I look forward to it, if you have the time. "I've read this on ... more
        • Re: Ramses XII = Ramses VIII?Jaime O, Sat Mar 11 14:06
          Hi Kim, Thank you for the reply. "Please do. I look forward to it, if you have the time." It won't be nothing new or inventive. As soon as I can get some more time and space, I'll type something. "I... more
          • Re: Ramses XII = Ramses VIII?Kim Sargerson, Tue Mar 14 18:38
            Hi Jaime "one needs to take account some of the genealogies that compose the backbone of the dynasty" As far as I can tell, only the Deir el Medina foremen seem to span the dynasty, and the... more
            • Re: Ramses XII = Ramses VIII?Jaime O, Wed Mar 22 09:33
              Hi Kim, forgive me for the extent of the last reply. This one might not be very different, so I apologize in advance. I wrote: "And we know from the Khonsu Temple that Herihor did act almost as king... more
              • Re: Ramses XII, and early Dyn 21Kim Sargerson, Thu Mar 23 13:26
                Hi Jaime You wrote "Exactly, which is why I do see Smendes coming between Ramses XI and Herihor as resolution to some problems, but may only be desirable until one comes up with something new." This... more
                • Herihor the HPA-kingTory, Mon Mar 27 23:48
                  Hi all, The oracle of Herihor (Oracular Decree of High Priest Herihor, OIP3, p. 15, Plate 132) makes it clear that he was HPA for 30 years. 10 years as HPA had already elapsed when the oracle was... more
                  • Early 21st DynastyJaime O, Wed Mar 29 08:43
                    Hi Kim and Tory Thank you for the replies. Kim: I do not think there is enough evidence to place Nesbanebdjed the king before or after Herihor the king. However, it still leaves a gap i.e. who was... more
                    • Early 21st DynastyJaime O, Thu Mar 30 13:45
                      There is an error in my previous tables, allow me to correct (and revise Menkheperre Bs tenure, presuming his Year 48 might be an error for something else): KINGS: - Ramses XI, 0-35 - Ramses XII,... more
      • Year 6 reorsificationTory, Tue Mar 7 02:34
        Hi Kim and Jaime: G3, 232, I: year 6, II Peret 7: the vizier, general and 1PA Herihor ordered the reosirification of Menmaatre Sety-mererptah G3, 263, 5, I: fine linen made by the 1PA Menkheperre in... more
        • re: Year 6 reosirificationKim Sargerson, Wed Mar 8 18:24
          Hi Tory I have no doubt that the New Kingdom royals were indeed routinely plundered by these priests. It seems to have been a kind of "last resort", so they did a group in a short time, then there... more
          • re: Year 6 reosirificationTory, Thu Mar 9 08:12
            Hi Kim The way I see it, there is no need for yet another new person to be injected into this period. No Ramesses "XII" or Menkheperre "A". If there is a HPA Menkheperre "A" who reosirified Sety I,... more
            • re: Year 6 reosirificationKim Sargerson, Wed Mar 15 17:11
              Hi Tory Sorry has taken so long to reply. I didn't "get" this for the longest time, but: once the ATM withdrawal has been made, this particular source of revenue is gone. If Herihor cashed in Sety's... more
      • Re: Ramses XII = Ramses VIII?Fabian B, Mon Mar 6 14:22
        Dear Jaime, Thanks for your intelligent response. I am starting to think that Ramesses XII did exist too. As for Ramesses VIII, I do accept that he was a son of Ramesses III since it would explain... more
    • Re: Ramses XII = Ramses VIII? — Fabian B, Sun Mar 5 14:47
    • Re: Ramses XII = Ramses VIII?Fabian B, Sun Mar 5 14:40
      The image link was: www.ancient.co.uk/userfiles/images/REVISED%20PETRIE%202015%20SLIDE%20SHOW/37%20WADI%20HAMMAMAT.jpg You can add http:// in front
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