Marianne Luban
The Book of Jasher
Wed Jul 12, 2017 09:21
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Robert, you wrote: "These new chronological dates are supported by biblical scripture and also confirmed in the much better documentation of the book of Jasher."

But when I asked what you meant by the Book of Jasher being better documented than the Bible--you evaded my question. That's because you really do have no way of knowing how accurate anything in that book is--or whether it has any connection to the Book of Jasher mentioned in Joshua 10:13, 2 Samuel 1:18, and in the New Testament. The oldest extant work called the Book of Jasher was printed in 1625 in Venice as a Hebrew midrash. Its introduction touted it as a copy of an 1552 version, which had emerged in Naples, but no other reference to that work is known nor has any trace of it been found. The 1625 edition has been denounced as a forgery by some, despite the preface stating that the Book of Jasher had been discovered in Jerusalem by a Roman officer, who took it with him to Spain, where it was preserved by the Jewish College at Cordoba.

The first English translation of this Book of Jasher was made by a Mr. Samuel of Liverpool, England. While this task was ongoing, yet another Book of Jasher was being brought forward, since named “Pseudo-Jasher”, a complete hoax. Samuel's translation from the Hebrew was published by Mordecai M. Noah of New York in 1840. Another more modern scholar, Joseph Dan of Hebrew University in Jerusalem, saw indications that the work really had been written at Naples in the 16th Century. Another opinion is that this particular Book of Jasher was composed in Spain, being a collection of Jewish legends or midrashim [Biblical commentaries] known to the author in about the 12th Century CE.

Therefore, unless you can prove that the Book of Jasher that is now known predates the Books of Judges and Samuel, how can you say with assurance that it is more accurate than the Bible? I am not saying that this book, because it really does have the possibility of being quite old, does not preserve some Jewish legends with some amount of history behind them. But I think the amount would be quite small. Extra-Biblical writings, IMO, can be based on much more modern interpretations of things seen and heard by travelers in the east, for example--but basically they will be connected to the tales in the older books, the Bible and the Quran.

How anybody could possibly care about a correct date for the expulsion of Adam and Eve from Eden--or even believe that there could be an actual date--is beyond me. It is only when there is a chance of connecting something in the Bible to actual history can this kind of mathematics be justified. Where the Book of Jasher was concerned, someone was doing the math--but based on what? For example “In the fifty-fifth year of the reign of Pharaoh king of Egypt, that is in the hundred and fifty-seventh year of the Israelites going down into Egypt, reigned Moses in Kush. Moses was twenty-seven years old when he began to reign over Kush, and forty years did he reign.”

This is obviously not the same reckoning used by the early church fathers, like Eusebius, who calculated the 430 years of duration of the sojourn of the Israelites in Egypt all the way back to the 75th year of Abraham--meaning when he was given the promise. But, unless one can see Moses being 27 years old near the end of Dynasty 12 [1783 BCE] that passage from the Book of Jasher used a different starting point--which was the actual advent of the Israelites into Egypt during the time of Jacob, the grandson of Abraham. Actually, I have to say that makes much more sense because then one can use ca. 1600 as a starting point. 157 years later could be 1443 BCE and contemporary with the 18th Dynasty--during which time nearly all of the ancient historians believed Moses had lived. Except the trouble is no pharaoh reigned for 55 years within that dynasty. Thutmose III might have come close--but by what chronology could one have him ending his reign around 1443? Not very possible, IMO.

  • re: Mursili's Omen of the SunRobert P. Killian, Wed Jul 12 02:39
    What I mean by saying: "These new chronological dates are supported by biblical scripture and also confirmed in the much better documentation of the Book of Jasher". Is,---that these newly computed... more
    • The Book of JasherMarianne Luban, Wed Jul 12 09:39
      Robert, you wrote: "These new chronological dates are supported by biblical scripture and also confirmed in the much better documentation of the book of Jasher." But when I asked what you meant by... more
      • The Book of JasherRobert Killian, Thu Jul 13 07:49
        Marianne Luban, You claim:--- "That's because you do have no way of knowing how accurate anything in this book is..." etc. My response: Then you mention one of the exact sequential timeline sequence... more
      • The Book of JasherRobert Killian, Wed Jul 12 15:57
        Just click-on,---www.exegenesis.com and read down to verify that Moses was 18yrs old, ("when he kills the egyptian and flees"), in 148th year of Israel in Egypt. Moses was 27yrs old, (when he begins... more
        • Re: The Book of JasherAnonymous, Thu Jul 13 08:46
          Robert wrote: "Moses was 27yrs old, (when he begins 40yr reign in Kush)), in 157th year, at death of Kikanus, king of Kush." In the 55th year of which king of Egypt? "Exodus: Passover at 'midnight'... more
          • Re: The Book of JasherRobert Killian, Fri Jul 14 01:34
            To interested ANEC Forum members, In regard to the 5 year 'error' in calculations of the birth 'date' for Abraham by Eusebius, our Father of Biblical History, we must first establish the accurate... more
            • Re: The Book of JasherRobert Killian, Sat Jul 15 02:44
              In my 'Post' 177754: The correct year of St. Jerome's 'Revision' and 'updated' of the 'Chronicle' of Eusebius is actually about 420AD, NOT 420BC, as I, again, failed to 'check-before-posting' my... more
          • Re: The Book of JasherRobert Killian, Thu Jul 13 13:43
            Hi again Marianne, (not too Anonymous, huh,) You wrote: in article 17644. For example "In the 55th year of the reign of Pharoah king of Egypt, reigned Moses in Kush. Moses was 27yrs old when he began ... more
            • Re: The Book of JasherMarianne Luban, Thu Jul 13 15:00
              Robert wrote: "Hi again Marianne, (not too Anonymous, huh,)" I never try to be anonymous here. Sometimes I forget to put my name in the "Author" box--that's all, When you leave it blank it calls you... more
              • Re: The Book of JasherMarianne Luban, Fri Aug 18 09:57
                I was rereading some of these posts today to get a sense of the entire discussion and its most salient points and.... Robert: "You wrote: in article 17644. For example "In the 55th year of the reign... more
                • Re: The Book of JasherRobert Killian, Sat Aug 19 01:13
                  Marianne, Ok!---as I wrote,---"let's just forget it"! Please !! That's enough scattered-willful confusion,---for me! Peace, always Robert Monaco
                  • Re: The Book of JasherMarianne Luban, Sat Aug 19 08:25
                    I didn't write that post for you, Robert, but to clarify something I had written. I couldn't care less how you feel about anything I post here. So don't be confused about that. You've already stated... more
              • The Book of JasherRobert Killian, Thu Jul 13 16:37
                Ok!--- let's just forget it!
    • The Book of Jasher — Marianne Luban, Wed Jul 12 09:21
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