Marianne Luban
re: Some Math
Thu Jul 13, 2017 08:19
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These low chronologies, based on assumed solar eclipses, do not work because, earlier in the era of Dynasty 18, there are certain texts that require a specific seasonal event. In Year 22, Thutmose III went east with his army, probably in order to steal the grain of the Canaanites. In his annals, the excuse is given that there were several hundred Canaanite princes in rebellion against him--but these had been quiet enough during the reign of Hatshepsut.

Not only did Thutmose have to leave after the Egyptian harvest [as his ordinary soldiers were young farmers drafted from the villages]but he had to get to Megiddo before those people had a chance to harvest their own grain. If they did, they could withstand a long siege--even longer than the seven months they managed to hold out. The Canaanite harvest lagged slightly behind the Egyptian one. In the meantime, a specific lunar event was mentioned--and this becomes an anchor for assigning a date to Year 22/23 of Thutmose III.

In BCE years, the Julian year date gets lower when going forward to the Common Era--but the months flow backwards. In the date of my choice for Year 22 of Thutmose, which is 1482 BCE, the Egyptians barely had time to finish their harvest. But that can be accounted for perhaps there not having been much of a harvest due to a low Nile or some other factor--the very one that made the pharaoh decide to obtain wheat elsewhere so there would not be a famine in his land. However, his annals definitely state that the Egyptians managed to harvest the wheat around Megiddo, while conducting a siege of the city, and took thousands of baskets of it back to Egypt.

Because the lunar event, the "new moon" or "no moon" fell on the specified day of the Egyptian lunar calendar in 25-year increments, the next possible lower Julian date for Year 22 of Thutmose III is 1457 BCE. Unfortunately, that year does not work out for 25 Pharmouti, the day that the army reached the fortress at Djaru--which was April 20 in 1482--being a reasonable time to finish the Egyptian harvest. Considering that the army had to leave from Memphis around April 17 to get to Djaru when it did there was, as I said, barely time to finish the harvest even with this High Chronology date. The lower one is impossible--and certainly the king of Egypt knew when the Canaanite crops would be ripe and would not leave before they were. And he made sure the Canaanites would not begin their harvest, so he was working on a precise schedule.

Even before all that, in Year 15 of Hatshepsut/Thutmose, there is another inscription that ties the Civil Calendar date to a certain event--the flood. A huge obelisk was commissioned by the woman-king that took seven months to complete--from the second month of winter to the last day of fourth month of summer. What was important was that the monument was finished in time for the high Nile, which made it easier to float the tremendously heavy object down to Thebes from Aswan. In 1488 BCE, which was Year 16 by that time, Day 30 of IV Smw was Julian August 24--by which time the flood should have been near its peak. Obviously, the obelisk was meant to be finished in plenty of time for its removal on the Nile to Thebes--and it was. But that would not have been the case with a chronology lowered by 25 years.

  • re: Some MathMarianne Luban, Sun Jul 9 15:37
    And, once again, keep in mind that the radiocarbon results favor the high chronology--with the New Kingdom possibly starting as early as 1570 BCE.
    • re: Some Math — Marianne Luban, Thu Jul 13 08:19
    • Mursili's Omen of the SunMarianne Luban, Mon Jul 10 08:38
      I have looked into this a bit more. Here's a good overview: https://www.thefreelibrary.com/The+solar+omen+of+Mursili+II.+(Brief+Communications).-a083939817
      • Mursili's Omen of the SumRobert P. Killian, Tue Jul 11 03:42
        Here's another good overview of Mursili II timeline. www.exegenesis.com Just click on 1st Vol. in the blue box at left-hand-side of Home Page and scroll-down to Page 26 to view the 24 June 1312BC,... more
        • re: Mursili's Omen of the SunMarianne Luban, Tue Jul 11 17:41
          What in the world do you mean by this? "These new chronological dates are supported by biblical scripture and also confirmed in the much better documentation of the book of Jasher."
          • re: Mursili's Omen of the SunRobert P. Killian, Wed Jul 12 02:39
            What I mean by saying: "These new chronological dates are supported by biblical scripture and also confirmed in the much better documentation of the Book of Jasher". Is,---that these newly computed... more
            • The Book of JasherMarianne Luban, Wed Jul 12 09:39
              Robert, you wrote: "These new chronological dates are supported by biblical scripture and also confirmed in the much better documentation of the book of Jasher." But when I asked what you meant by... more
              • The Book of JasherRobert Killian, Thu Jul 13 07:49
                Marianne Luban, You claim:--- "That's because you do have no way of knowing how accurate anything in this book is..." etc. My response: Then you mention one of the exact sequential timeline sequence... more
              • The Book of JasherRobert Killian, Wed Jul 12 15:57
                Just click-on,---www.exegenesis.com and read down to verify that Moses was 18yrs old, ("when he kills the egyptian and flees"), in 148th year of Israel in Egypt. Moses was 27yrs old, (when he begins... more
                • Re: The Book of JasherAnonymous, Thu Jul 13 08:46
                  Robert wrote: "Moses was 27yrs old, (when he begins 40yr reign in Kush)), in 157th year, at death of Kikanus, king of Kush." In the 55th year of which king of Egypt? "Exodus: Passover at 'midnight'... more
                  • Re: The Book of JasherRobert Killian, Fri Jul 14 01:34
                    To interested ANEC Forum members, In regard to the 5 year 'error' in calculations of the birth 'date' for Abraham by Eusebius, our Father of Biblical History, we must first establish the accurate... more
                    • Re: The Book of JasherRobert Killian, Sat Jul 15 02:44
                      In my 'Post' 177754: The correct year of St. Jerome's 'Revision' and 'updated' of the 'Chronicle' of Eusebius is actually about 420AD, NOT 420BC, as I, again, failed to 'check-before-posting' my... more
                  • Re: The Book of JasherRobert Killian, Thu Jul 13 13:43
                    Hi again Marianne, (not too Anonymous, huh,) You wrote: in article 17644. For example "In the 55th year of the reign of Pharoah king of Egypt, reigned Moses in Kush. Moses was 27yrs old when he began ... more
                    • Re: The Book of JasherMarianne Luban, Thu Jul 13 15:00
                      Robert wrote: "Hi again Marianne, (not too Anonymous, huh,)" I never try to be anonymous here. Sometimes I forget to put my name in the "Author" box--that's all, When you leave it blank it calls you... more
            • The Book of JasherMarianne Luban, Wed Jul 12 09:21
              Robert, you wrote: "These new chronological dates are supported by biblical scripture and also confirmed in the much better documentation of the book of Jasher." But when I asked what you meant by... more
        • re: Mursili's Omen of the SunMarianne Luban, Tue Jul 11 11:51
          Arinniti was a sun goddess to whom, it is claimed Mursili II was particularly devoted. She is represented in this relief:... more
          • re: Mursili's Omen of the SunMarianne Luban, Tue Jul 11 12:22
            And see here about Hittites and omens and oracles. For all we know, this whole thing may be about nothing more than a cult statue being asked a question. The Egyptians did this and, evidently, so did ... more
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