Marianne Luban
Re: Dahamunza
Thu Jul 20, 2017 10:12
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Robert:

"You can rest assured that I am paying close attention, to this, your latest attempt to reconstruct this portion of History."

It is at least partly history as the math calculates backwards from the 15th year of Tiberias Caesar, which is a known quantity--29 CE.

Robert:
"I can also assure you that, as you should know by now, that Eusebius was'OFF' by just 5 years when he calculated 505 years from the birth of Abram to Exodus. It 'Actually' is 500 years. (1948AM, plus 500 years IS 2448AM)."

That's not good enough. You need to explain *why* you believe his count was off by five years. Calculating backwards from a CE date to Abraham is difficult enough, but I feel sure Eusebius used anchors about which dates you do not know one more thing than he did--such as when Troy was captured. If by some chance you are calculating the birth of Adam prospectively from Adam or the flood--forget it. Myths and legends don't have a time frame.

Robert:

"Your most recent 'reconstruction' has "...Eusebius, by whose reckoning Moses, (at 18 years old,) should have left Egypt in 1510BCE."

That's right. But it's not very recent. It dates back to Eusebius at least. I explained his math in my paper, "The Early Church Fathers and the Exodus", which you read. But you don't explain your math. To haughtily say "as you should know by now" cuts no ice with me.

Robert:
"As you can read in my account of 'Chronicle' I have "posted"---Moses, at 18 years old, in 1506BCE, "leaves Egypt."

And? How do you know he was 18? Don't tell me it's because the Book of Jasher says Moses was 18 because that is a fairly modern composition. And why was the year of his leaving 1506 in your opinion? Try to be specific. You have a lot of stuff on your website and I am not going to go through your chronology from Genesis to try to figure out your reasoning.

Robert:

"As you know, St. Jerome has: birth of Moses in 2017BCE."

How? Don't you mean Abraham? He specifically quotes the Chronicon of Eusebius in saying there are 2044 years between Abraham and year 15 of Tiberias, which is 29 CE. By my reckoning that is 2015 BCE--not 2017. Then, the Chronicon has 505 years until Moses. That's 1510--but it's left vague. Was that supposed to be the year Moses was born, leaves Egypt, or the year of the actual exodus? Pseudo-Dionysius, for one, spelled it out. He says that two kings of Egypt, "Palmanothes" and "Cenephres" ruled from 400-430 reckoning from the 75th year of Abraham. They can only be Amenhotep I and Thutmose I. Moses fled from Cenephres--so 430 is not the actual exodus but it so happens that Year 10 of Thutmose I is 1510 BCE by my chronology--505 years after Abraham. Then Pseudo-Dionysius goes on to say that in the year 490 after Abraham, Moses returns to confront the new pharaoh--that's 1450 BCE, at which time a new king took the throne. Therefore, contrary to Acts, this chronicler did not believe Moses was already 40 years old when he left Egypt--but only 20. If I say he left in 1510 [and also Pseudo-Dionysius seems to believe it] and you say it was 1506 BCE--where is the HUGE error that you refer to? There's only four years difference between your date and mine! Stop being so pompous.

  • Re: DahamunzaRobert Killian, Thu Jul 20 03:12
    Marianne, You can rest assured that I am paying close attention, to this, your latest attempt to reconstruct this portion of History. I can also assure you that, as you should know by now, that... more
    • Re: Dahamunza — Marianne Luban, Thu Jul 20 10:12
      • re: MosesRich McQuillen, Fri Jul 21 22:40
        Hi Marianne, We are in agreement with your reading, and that your reading is in alignment with Standard Biblical Chronology. ***** I don't subscribe to standard Biblical Chronology, with the cut off... more
        • re: MosesMarianne Luban, Sat Jul 22 09:55
          Rich wrote: "I don't subscribe to standard Biblical Chronology, with the cut off point of before David. All of those Patriarchs from Methuselah to Moses living such long lives, it doesn't make sense... more
          • re: Temple of JerusalemRich McQuillen, Sat Jul 22 20:06
            "But who designed the Jerusalem Temple in your scheme? Frank Lloyd Wright? Sorry--couldn't resist." -- I love the reference. :) The temple of Solomon hasn't been found yet...... more
            • re: Temple of JerusalemRobert Killian, Mon Jul 24 04:14
              Hi Rich, http://www.crystalinks.com/dynasty21.html has: Siamun:986 to 967. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twenty-first_Dynasty_of_Egypt has: Siamun: 986 to 967. Mattis Kantor, in "THE JEWISH TIME-LINE ... more
            • re: Temple of JerusalemMarianne Luban, Sun Jul 23 09:22
              Rich: "In my scheme, or timeline, I have Solomon as a contemporary of Siamun in Egypt(975BC)." That's pretty standard but, previously you wrote: "Moses 140 years later in 1159BC(Ramses 4)". How do... more
              • re: Judges 11:26Rich McQuillen, Wed Aug 2 22:28
                "In fact, in Judges 11:26 it states that Israel had been in Canaan for 300 years already" -- The chronology in that passage is in dispute. Note: I don't have an opinion on this dispute at this time.... more
                • re: Judges 11:26Marianne Luban, Thu Aug 3 10:31
                  I wrote: "In fact, in Judges 11:26 it states that Israel had been in Canaan for 300 years already" Rich: -- The chronology in that passage is in dispute." and "Three hundred years.--There is an... more
                • re: Judges 11:26Robert Killian, Thu Aug 3 03:30
                  Hi Rich, You quote:---"In fact, in Judges 11:26 it states that Israel had been in Canaan for 300 years already". Yes!---If Exodus was in 2448AM, as Mattis Kantor 'places' that event in "Codex... more
                • re: Judges 11:26Rich McQuillen, Thu Aug 3 01:23
                  "New International Version For three hundred years Israel occupied Heshbon, Aroer, the surrounding settlements and all the towns along the Arnon. Why didn't you retake them during that time?" -- I'm... more
                  • re: Judges 11:26Robert Killian, Fri Aug 4 05:27
                    Hi Rich, Just as a point of information: "The man, Israel", (Jacob), does indeed,--- 'predate',--- Moses and Exodus,--- by 210 years! If the beginning of "Israel's count", (that is Jacob), at 130yrs, ... more
                    • re: Judges 11:26Robert Killian, Sat Aug 5 00:27
                      That's another 'editing' ERROR when I typed "Abram's 790th year 'Call', to go on his second trip..." It should be "Abram's 70th year 'Call' to go...".etc Bookof Jasher: 1st 'Call' and trip to Canaan... more
            • re:Temple of JerusalemRobert Killian, Sun Jul 23 00:48
              Hi Rich, Perhaps: a sequence like this? David 1008 to 968 Siamun ac.986 to 967 Solomon: ac.968 to 928 Psusennes II ac.967 to 943 Rehoboam: ac.928 to 911 Jeroboam: ac.928 to 907 Shoshenq I: ac.943 to... more
        • re: MosesRobert Killian, Sat Jul 22 04:00
          Hi Rich, For the 'Actual' birth date of Moses: Jewish calendar count 1948AM, 1813CJ/BCE, + 131yrs = 1944BCE. See: www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/timeline-for-the-history-of-judaism . Enjoy,
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