Marianne Luban
Re: Solar eclipse of 1207 BC helps to date pharaohs
Sun Nov 5, 2017 11:38
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Marianne Luban wrote:

"It's in the Book of Exodus. Exodus 23:28-30: I will send the hornet ahead of you to drive the Hivites, Canaanites and Hittites out of your way. 29 But I will not drive them out in a single year, because the land would become desolate and the wild animals too numerous for you. 30 Little by little I will drive them out before you, until you have increased enough to take possession of the
land.."

Jon:
"I understand that Marianne, but this sentence in Exodus is future tense - it has yet to happen."

Right!

Jon:

"We read it again in Deut 7:20:
"Moreover the LORD thy God will send the hornet among them, until they that are left, and hide themselves from thee, be destroyed."

Once again it is future tense, it has yet to happen."

That's also right.

Jon:
"Finally, in Joshua 24:11, we read:
"And ye went over Jordan, and came unto Jericho: and the men of Jericho fought against you, the Amorites, and the Perizzites, and the Canaanites, and the Hittites, and the Girgashites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites; and I delivered them into your hand.
[12] And I sent the hornet before you, which drave them out from before you, even the two kings of the Amorites; but not with thy sword, nor with thy bow."

Here, the act is past tense, it is part of the Conquest narrative. This is what I am pointing out."

Wrong. Something can't be part of "the conquest narrative" and in the past tense at the same time. But you have made my point, which is that the business of the hornet refers to the king of Egypt at the time of the exodus and for some time *before* the Israelites arrive at their destination. The whole of Deuteronomy [Devarim] takes place in Moab. The Hornet is still busy subduing the peoples of Canaan and it didn't happen in a single year but over time. The Conquest [and I said this in the post you are quoting from so it's no revelation of yours] does not start until the Book of Joshua. But, as you say, the Hornet is no longer around to do any subduing--so what were you saying again about some 20th Dynasty ruler? Is he in the present--or in the past? If the latter, what would associate him with "the Hornet"?

  • Marianne Luban wrote: "It's in the Book of Exodus. Exodus 23:28-30: I will send the hornet ahead of you to drive the Hivites, Canaanites and Hittites out of your way. 29 But I will not drive them... more
    • Jon Smyth wrote: Finally, in Joshua 24:11, we read: "And ye went over Jordan, and came unto Jericho: and the men of Jericho fought against you, the Amorites, and the Perizzites, and the Canaanites,... more
      • Marianne. Read the 4th line of the first book of Joshua. "From the wilderness and this Lebanon even unto the great river, the river Euphrates, all the land of the Hittites, and unto the great sea... more
      • Re: Solar eclipse of 1207 BC helps to date PharoahsRobert Killian, Mon Nov 6 02:01
        Here, I agree with Anonymous,---AND: "The Two Hornet's" timeline would fit well with Exodus in 2448, 1313CJ/BCE, (Jewish) + 131yrs = 1444BCE ('Actual') in the 35th Year of Thutmose III, just 14yrs... more
        • Far too early Robert, Mittani was still in control of northern Syria. There were no Hittites, nor any Akhuwa/Huwe (Hivites), so far south until after the fall of Mitanni, and after the fall of the... more
          • My apologies, the last line should read: If anyone chooses to identify a historical synchronism here, it can only be in the 20th Dyn., at the Late Bronze/Iron I transition. Jon S.
    • Re: Solar eclipse of 1207 BC helps to date pharaohs — Marianne Luban, Sun Nov 5 11:38
      • Jon wrote: "Finally, in Joshua 24:11, we read: "And ye went over Jordan, and came unto Jericho: and the men of Jericho fought against you, the Amorites, and the Perizzites, and the Canaanites, and... more
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