Marianne Luban
re: European King Tutankhaten
Tue Nov 21, 2017 19:26
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Tory wrote:
"Since the reconstruction of the Y-DNA of the biological father of king Tutankhaten appears to have been "non-Egyptian" (haplogroup R1b1a2) isn't it just possible he is the son of the Hittite prince Zannanza, and that the latter was not killed until after his union with Daḫumunzu (Neferneferuaten)?"

Tut's father is the KV55 individual, who is the son of Amenhotep III and Queen Tiye and is in all likelihood Akhenaten. I think the Haplogroup of Tut was probably correctly deduced, based on further study of mummified remains: "Recent DNA studies on ancient Egyptian mummies have reached the conclusion that preserved remains found in Abusir-el Meleq, Middle Egypt, were closest genetic relatives of Neolithic and Bronze Age populations from the Near East, Anatolia, Eastern Mediterranean, and Europeans. Modern Egyptians, it turns out, share much more DNA with sub-Saharan populations." The study is...

“Ancient Egyptian mummy genomes suggest an increase of Sub-Saharan African ancestry in post-Roman periods”, Nature, [May, 2017] I, myself, have written written papers demonstrating that the DNA alleles of some kings of Egypt were not very common in the modern Egyptian population or missing entirely.

Tory:
"On my time-line, Smenkhkare could be the Hittite prince and Tutankhaten would be around age 3 when he was put on the throne with Aye as his protector. Tutankhaten died at age 12 and Aye became pharaoh with Horemhab next in line."

I, too, would like to find a way to rescue poor Zannanza, but he can't be shown to have survived this way.






  • European King TutankhatenTory, Tue Nov 21 14:05
    Hi all Since the reconstruction of the Y-DNA of the biological father of king Tutankhaten appears to have been "non-Egyptian" (haplogroup R1b1a2) isn't it just possible he is the son of the Hittite... more
    • Re: European King TutankhatenJoe Baker, Wed Nov 22 08:07
      Hi Tory My understanding is that this idea that Tutankhamun’s Y-DNA belonged to the R1b1a2 hyplogroup is based on a close-up of a blurry computer screen shot of coloured peaks seen in the 2010... more
      • Re: European King TutankhatenTory, Sat Nov 25 23:11
        Hi Joe Yes I accept the 12-year overlapping of Amenhotep III and IV. This is not the same thing as a co-regency. Let it go. Seti I had a restart in his year-count, so we will not find year dates... more
      • Re: European King TutankhatenMarianne Luban, Fri Nov 24 10:46
        Hi, Joe. You wrote: "My understanding is that this idea that Tutankhamun’s Y-DNA belonged to the R1b1a2 hyplogroup is based on a close-up of a blurry computer screen shot of coloured peaks seen in... more
        • Re: European King TutankhatenMarianne Luban, Fri Nov 24 20:33
          Oops--I wrote "blood type". I meant "haplogroup is found". The blood type is very rare in Egypt, according to a study done by Dr. Daoud Matta years ago,
    • re: European King Tutankhaten — Marianne Luban, Tue Nov 21 19:26
      • re: European King TutankhatenTory, Tue Nov 21 21:59
        Marianne wrote: I think the Haplogroup of Tut was probably correctly deduced, haplogroup R1b1a2 would mean his father was not Akhenaton. This was his maternal grandfather not his father. The Y-DNA is ... more
        • re: European King TutankhatenMarianne Luban, Tue Nov 21 22:43
          Marianne wrote: "I think the Haplogroup of Tut was probably correctly deduced," Tory "haplogroup R1b1a2 would mean his father was not Akhenaton. This was his maternal grandfather not his father. The... more
          • re: European King TutankhatenTory, Tue Nov 21 22:59
            The maternal DNA, not the Y-DNA, establishes that Tut was related to the members of Akhenaton's family. But the Y-DNA of Akhenaton and Amenhotep III is not R1b1a2 so Akhenaton cannot be Tut's father. ... more
            • re: European King TutankhatenMarianne Luban, Wed Nov 22 07:51
              Tory: "The maternal DNA, not the Y-DNA, establishes that Tut was related to the members of Akhenaton's family." Well, no--it was autosomal DNA that connected Tut to the rest of his family. Autosomal... more
              • re: European King TutankhatenTory, Sat Nov 25 23:05
                R1b1a2 cannot possibly be the Y-DNA of Amenhotep IV, III, and the rest of the male line back to the Theban dynasty founder. This Y-haplogroup is virtually non-existent in Egypt and everywhere else in ... more
                • re: European King TutankhatenMarianne Luban, Tue Nov 28 15:59
                  Tory: "R1b1a2 cannot possibly be the Y-DNA of Amenhotep IV, III, and the rest of the male line back to the Theban dynasty founder. This Y-haplogroup is virtually non-existent in Egypt and everywhere... more
                  • re: European King TutankhatenTory, Wed Nov 29 03:17
                    Tut does not just have one grandfather. Every human being as two grandfathers, a paternal and a maternal one. The autosomal DNA results make Amenhotep III the maternal grandfather of Tut, not his... more
                    • re: European King TutankhatenMarianne Luban, Fri Dec 1 07:54
                      And, by the way, just go here and you'll find an entire chart of where the haplogroup in question can be found in Africa and to what degree. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_R1b
                    • re: European King TutankhatenMarianne Luban, Fri Dec 1 07:40
                      Tory: "Tut does not just have one grandfather. Every human being as two grandfathers, a paternal and a maternal one. The autosomal DNA results make Amenhotep III the maternal grandfather of Tut, not... more
              • re: European King TutankhatenRich McQuillen, Wed Nov 22 10:47
                Off-topic: I have made a claim with Tut that he appears in Greek Mythology. The son of the sun(Aten). The son of Tithonus(Tutankh). He falls off his chariot and drowns in the Nile. He's mourned by... more
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